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To Stunt or to Cafe Race.... that is the question

Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. Long time lurker here.

I've owned my 2011 CBR250R for several years now. It has been through hell and back with me a few times. This year I have decided to change things up for our 4 year anniversary. I am either going to stunt this girl out or turn her into a cafe racer like a few others on here have done. The biggest thing here is that I want whatever I do to her to be reversible and able to take it back to complete stock again.

I have already started the process. Check my before and in-progress pictures.

I removed the whole front fairing and tucked all the wiring. I plan to still use the stock dash cluster so find a place to mount that will be my biggest challenge. For a headlight, I picked up a 7 inch Nilight led bar on Amazon. I need to get a fork mount for it. I haven't wired it up yet, but I plan to run it straight to the battery with an on-off switch mounted somewhere on the frame.I don't want to have to splice into any of the wires in the harness (gotta be reversible remember). I also got a pair of slimmer led turn signals and a fork mount bracket for them. I've mounted them up but still need to wire them. For this I will probably tap into the rear turn signal lights because they are very easy to piggyback off of. Plus the front turn signal lights are all wrapped up in the wiring harness on the nose. Don't wanna mess with that. Will throw on bar end mirrors of course.

I have a fair amount of overspray on the bike that needs to be removed. It all around just dirty in their too so Ill be scrubbing the hell out of it to get it shiny again.

This is all I have right now but I also pan on getting a 905 Racing crash cage (this is the only manufacturer I have been able to find). Plus Im going to invest in a new exhaust. Not for performance gains, purely for aesthetics. After that, Im debating whether or not I want to get a bigger sprocket for the rear and practice wheelies and other hoolingan behavior. Im not sure if I ready to fall and get hurt yet though.

If this turns out like complete crap, Ill just ride my other bike, (08' cbr600rr) until I can get the 2 fiddy back to stock
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In order to get a true cafe look, you're going to have to cut the rear frame to get a flat back seat to front seat bench. Curvy lines around the gas tank bottom are also a no-no, so fashioning a piece to take that curve out and fit in those ghastly holes left behind is a must. Foot peg relocations more frontwards is a necessity, and difficult due to the frame shape on this bike, and the clip-ons will need to be shifted back after lowering the front springs to level out the bike.

Lots of work; I know. Doing a cafe conversion on an old S40 as we speak. The 250r? Cafe? Reversible? Nuh-uh. Not if you want it to be a true cafe bike and not just a naked streetfighter.

Tis better to be thought a fool and remain silent, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
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Naked street fighter (stunt bike) it is then!

Thanks for the insight. That's a lot more work than I have the skill or money for.
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cafe = footpegs more - rearward - than frontwards..
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It will never look like a "cafe racer" without extensive modification, so that's out of the question. My vote is for street fighter stunt bike.
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you dont need a bonneville engine in a norton
featherbed frame to be a 'cafe racer'..

if certain motorcyclists back then had
todays motorcycles, such as hondas,
the same basic concepts would be applied,,
such as i had with my honda cb450; ace bars,
dunstall megaphone exhausts, girling rear shocks,
rearsets, open carbs with good tuning, and lots of
goddards glow and elbow grease..

similar with cb72 250 twin and cb750sohc..
basically youre changing ergonomics to suit
your riding style preference, in this case
similar to racing ergos, together with tuning
and minor improvements to make the bike
lighter and work 'better'..
going for better lighter tyres, better lighter shocks,
opening breathing and exhaust together with tuning
for potential performance.. but not an unrideable
beast, rather an enhancement of the standard
motorcycle..

cafe racer is just a name applied to various
versions of then british motorcycles/specials..
anyway, if you think that way and want to
spend time and money on your bike,
using clip-ons and rearsets, better tyres,
enhanced suspension and so on
together with paint job or just polish,
that will be todays road honda version
of the classic british 'cafe racer'..

you dont need to make a replica
to have that attitude to riding
your motorcycle..
dirt road likes this.
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To each their own, and yes this bike can be made to appear like the classic British cafe-style, but it requires a lot of modification, and will never truly achieve that look due to the frame/tank style. Many will say nothing but British bikes can truly be a "cafe-racer", to which I will disagree as I see it as a style. Of course, many say that to be a "cruiser" it has to be an American motorcycle of Harley, Indian, or Victory descent, to which I also say bologna. My favorite conversion is the S40 kit by Ryca, which I think embodies the look and style wonderfully.



But, this bike will never be able to look that stripped, or have those flat lines unless you re-machine nearly everything on the bike, and fabricate the gas tank.

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This is about as good as it gets...

2013 cbr250r built in Jakarta India by a custom shop.

No way any weekend mechanic could come close to something like this. And it still doesn't have the same vibe as a vintage Norton, BSA, or universal Japanese motorcycle.

They reused the stock speedometer, and it looks minty!


That is why I vote street fighter. It's a better fit for the bike.
Just be tasteful. Most street fighters I see just scream "I've been dropped and my owner is to cheap to fix me!"

And a cafe racer shouldn't come from a kit, but the RYCA package does look nice.
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back then riders worked with what was available to them..
norton featherbed frames were 'better' than triumph frrames
and triumph engines were 'better' than norton engines..
thus put a tuned triumph engine in a norton featherbed frame..

later came the bikini fairing, and so on..

its not just a matter of making your bike look like,
this or that, rather improving its performance
and handling, to - be - 'better'..

those motorcyclists hanging out at the ace cafe
etc, werent trying to create a design concept,
but rather enhancing their own motorcycles
including to the level of 'specials'..

ie, its an attitude to motorcycles and riding them,
not just a style or copyright thing..

widen the idea and description to 'specials',
which includes the original cafe specials..
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those motorcyclists hanging out at the ace cafe etc, werent trying to create a design concept,
but rather enhancing their own motorcycles
including to the level of 'specials'..
You're right, they were not trying to create a design concept, but they did. They were just hopping up there bikes, but nowadays, a cafe race is a hopped up custom from that era, and it does have a template. For example, the bikes then didn't have trellis frames or cast wheels. They don't fit the bill.

By that logic a gixxer with a slip-on, a tune, and a k&n would qualify as as cafe racer. It's lighter and faster, and I'm sure there is an attitude.

know what i mean?
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