gixxers are fine, their build quality is good! i wished people would get their heads around the fact that there are other brands other than Honda for a reliable bike. All the big 4 japs and european brands are good bikes, it only changes when you start talking about hyosung etc. where build quality becomes an issue
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Can we all establish what a "beginner" is? Maybe I'm the only one who's confused....
This beginner was 35 and loads more mature than most 18 year old beginners, and therefore had more self-restraint. Some beginners are in a hurry to go fast and are stupid and want to impress people. I took my time to learn how to ride properly... now I ride like a bandit.
125cc is a good beginner bike
250cc is a good bike full stop and an be managed by beginners
500cc is a different beast. i dont recommend for beginners
600cc is an advanced motorcycle not suitable for beginners
this is just my take
Delineating purely by displacement is stupid. The CBR500 is *nothing* like a 600 SS.
Are you saying an old 600cc shadow is a crappy learners bike?
The 500r is a commuter. It's got more power than the 250, sure, but it's not blow-your-socks-off fast, it's got a mild seating position like the 250, and the suspension geometry isn't anything like a supersport. It's a perfectly acceptable beginner's bike.
Really what you don't want for a beginner is racing geometry/seating position, a high-revving, high compression motor, or a tall seat or unmanageable weight. Displacement isn't particularly relevant, honestly.
What you want is an easy seating position, manageable weight, an easy throttle, an easy clutch, etc. You want it to be easy to operate, so the rider can focus on riding. There is no reason to believe the 500 isn't going to check all those boxes.
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I really don't think the CBR500R is appropriate for new riders. I'd say the CBR250R is the best beginners bike on the market. The CBR250R is light, it's practical, it's economical, and it's got enough punch to do what needs doing for regular street riding.
The best bike on the market for a new rider is a used bike. A $1200 Ninja 250 makes a lot more sense than a spending $5000 for a shiny new bike that performs more or less the same. You'll eventually want to sell both bikes. You'll get all your money bike with the Ninja. You'll take a bath on the new CBR.
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The TU250X would be a fantastic learners bike, but I would never recommend a bike without ABS.
My brother had a TU250. ABS would be complete overkill on this little thing. Easier to learn on than just about any bike. Fun but slow.
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The Ninja 300 is an excellent bike,
. They are not even for sale yet. How do you know it's an excellent bike?
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The CBR500R is even more so what the Ninja 300 is. A new rider doesn't need all that. If they say "I'm too big for it" (the CBR250R), tell them "rubbish!" we've got quite a few riders on here over 6 foot who ride comfortably on it.
Plenty of people can learn on a 500 cc bike. it depends on the person. Having said that, I'll say it again, why on earth would anyone who has never ridden be considering buying a brand new bike be it a CBR250r or a the 500?
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Don't find it very comfortable myself (CBR250R),
Me either. I sat on one at the dealership. My 07 Ninja is more comfortable in every way.
Plenty of people can learn on a 500 cc bike. it depends on the person. Having said that, I'll say it again, why on earth would anyone who has never ridden be considering buying a brand new bike be it a CBR250r.
I don't see anything wrong with spending $4k on a first bike.
I just did.
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The best bike on the market for a new rider is a used bike. A $1200 Ninja 250 makes a lot more sense than a spending $5000 for a shiny new bike that performs more or less the same. You'll eventually want to sell both bikes. You'll get all your money bike with the Ninja. You'll take a bath on the new CBR.
My brother had a TU250. ABS would be complete overkill on this little thing. Easier to learn on than just about any bike. Fun but slow.
. They are not even for sale yet. How do you know it's an excellent bike?
Plenty of people can learn on a 500 cc bike. it depends on the person. Having said that, I'll say it again, why on earth would anyone who has never ridden be considering buying a brand new bike be it a CBR250r or a the 500?
Me either. I sat on one at the dealership. My 07 Ninja is more comfortable in every way.
It depends on who is buying their first bike; the guy who wants to jump straight to a supersport after 3 months, or the guy who wants a cheap commuter long term. There is no reason someone who wants the CBR250R, and wants to keep it long term, should buy a Ninja 250.
I disagree on the TU250X and ABS. EVERY road bike, and even scooter, should have ABS.
The N300 is for sale . I was very excited to look at one IRL recently.
as an experienced motorcyclist [re-entry on cbr250r] have no doubt
as to ABS being excellent braking system, esp for novices..
used bike more likely to be dropped by novice, but not necessarily[!]
as others observe, depends on the novice.. my first was a cb72 250
new, never dropped it.. for me aside from losing skin etc,
fear of damaging the shiny new black and chrome honda
was enough to generate care and caution while learning..
perhaps,, caution based on damaging the [+$] shiny
new bike might be less with a cheaper already used bike..
anyway, theres that side to it, which was a real factor
for me as a novice.. again, depends on the novice..
Having said that, I'll say it again, why on earth would anyone who has never ridden be considering buying a brand new bike be it a CBR250r or a the 500?
I don't get this? Try thinking outside your box . How about someone who:
1. has the money available, and
2. doesnt want to go through the trouble of finding a "used" bike which is in good condition, and
3. is going to be reliable, and
4. has not been thrashed, and
4. comes with a warranty
and
5. doesn't want to have to deal with random strangers, or
6. has not ever ridden a bike and so knows little about what to look for problem wise, and
7. is looking to buy new from a dealer they plan to continue a good relationship with for servicing and
8. future purchases, and
9 bundle a deal with riding gear..
10. all of the above
12. prefers brand new
11. is me
...the list goes on and on Goyble...geez.
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Don't find it very comfortable myself (CBR250R),
. I was very excited to look at one IRL recently.
