The shift in body weight will be different - its not just about the input, its about how it is delivered.
Pushing will have you dip your shoulder into the corner = better lean = tighter cornering? Pulling on the outside bar will have you shift your a$$ towards that side = less lean = wider cornering?
Aufitt didn't elaborate on his assertion about pulling making for a wider track...maybe this is what he meant?
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You've nailed it Dave. (as did Jme250RA did at the start of the thread)
I dont elaborate often lol because it poses more questions than answers.
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is there a physical reason to push on the side you want to turn to as opposed to pulling on the opposite side, or is it that it is simpler to teach a new rider since everything is being done on the same side.
Countersteering works the same either way pushing forward on the bar, or pulling back. You can see how it works by putting one hand on the tank and steering with only one hand as you shift from one track to the other in your lane. Push right, lean right, go right is just easier to remember than pull left, go right, ect.
Countersteering works the same either way pushing forward on the bar, or pulling back. You can see how it works by putting one hand on the tank and steering with only one hand as you shift from one track to the other in your lane. Push right, lean right, go right is just easier to remember than pull left, go right, ect.
It does work, but I prefer pushing the bar. When I went to the track, the instructor said you should not pull yourself onto the bike when you move around on the seat when cornering, you should rather push yourself back onto the bike with your legs. Pulling upsets the bikes balance. I wonder if the same applies to countersteeting.
Anyone willing to do a study on this?
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try releasing bars with sufficient speed and rpm etc
to sustain forward momentum, slight down hill etc,
thus making obvious even very small inputs into
your/thebikes movement.. [with care of course]
even quite small touches of the bars on either side
can be easily felt as effecting the bikes direction
and movement of its momentum..
same same for moving your feet [slight pressing pegs]
knees/thighs [against tank/seat] hips/pelvis, back,
shoulders, arms/elbows, neck and head..
hilights the subtleties of input to
the moving motorcycle...
Pushing will have you dip your shoulder into the corner/weight the inside peg = more weight on the inside = tighter cornering (putting your back into it haha) and probably with even less lean because of the weight.
Pulling on the outside bar will have you shift your ass/shoulder/chest towards that side (you are pulling yourself towards the bar even if ever so slightly, equal and opposite reaction and what not) = less weight on the inside = wider cornering or more lean required (=less traction at the same speed btw).
All it takes is an inch or two of dip in the shoulder into the corner and the bike moves. Its amazing how much of an effect this makes. On the weekend I was playing with this - gentle corner slight push on the bars, then dip my shoulder (kiss the mirror from afar haha) and bingo she casually tightened up. I had to stop doing it so as not to run over the apex completely lol.
It might be different if the two are combined (pushing inside/pulling outside) and how tight you are cornering.
I suspect there is little difference at low speeds or gentle cornering. There is sooo little pressure required, that push or pull there is no real weight shift happening.
my 2c
Dave
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