putoff, I appeal to you: go live in a cabin in the woods like Kaczynski. No one will bother you. We'll consider your taxes paid to date as fair compensation for your safe birth and untrammeled youth, education and use of public infrastructure. We'll even let you continue to use the relatively clean air and water that transits your homestead. I assure you no IRS agent will come looking for you.
But if you insist you don't owe anything, then don't pay into our system and stop using all of it too. Stop stealing the internet that my government paid to create and maintain. Stop stealing my roads that my taxes paid for. Stop stealing the medicine my taxes pay to research and safely deploy. Stop stealing the electricity for which my government regulates the price. Surely your bootstraps will be sufficient.
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putoff, I appeal to you: go live in a cabin in the woods like Kaczynski. No one will bother you. We'll consider your taxes paid to date as fair compensation for your safe birth and untrammeled youth, education and use of public infrastructure. We'll even let you continue to use the relatively clean air and water that transits your homestead. I assure you no IRS agent will come looking for you.
But if you insist you don't owe anything, then don't pay into our system and stop using all of it too. Stop stealing the internet that my government paid to create and maintain. Stop stealing my roads that my taxes paid for. Stop stealing the medicine my taxes pay to research and safely deploy. Stop stealing the electricity for which my government regulates the price. Surely your bootstraps will be sufficient.
We had a guy doing something like that in the woods behind the caravan I was put up in when doing seasonal orchard work in Kent, England. We couldn't lock the door, so he used to sneak in and help himself to a bit of food and enjoy other comforts (relatively speaking) while we were out working.
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I also have private health insurance, as a perk, because I work for an American company. I have used it, and I find that it's very good for getting non emergency surgery done quicker than the NHS. The con is that it's an insurance policy, and as with all insurance, the company will try and get out of paying if they can. I have back problems, and I was treated under my private health insurance for it. They did eventually find a solution, after a couple of years trying, with this treatment, and that but they then said no more. If I had any further back problems, they wouldn't treat me for it. With the NHS, you have no worries in that department. If you're ill, you will be treated, whether the cost of that treatment comes to a few pounds, or millions. You'll never be in a situation where you are told to ******************** off and die.
Even a quick google search can tell you otherwise.
It seems you've adopted the ignorant, selfish "Others don't matter, and I don't care" attitude of middle America. In the end the east the west, and a few in the middle voted for the candidate that the rest of the world overwhelmingly hoped would prevail (over 80% according to a survey reported on the BBC).
Romney's a loser. Get over it.
Are you sure that you exist because of a decision of your parents? Or were you accidentally conceived during a moment of passion in the back of a Holden Sandman?
Not at all. I don't believe that others don't matter, but I do believe that stealing money from some, to help others is wrong. I'm not a republican, and I didn't care that Romney lost. Frankly, it is my belief that the Dems and Repubs in congress constitute one party, the ruling party, and they will do whatever it takes to expand government.
Rather than helping these sociopaths enjoy unlimited power, how about free humans take care of themselves, and each other.
Amazing that the empathic types get labelled derisively as bleeding hearts and suckers for emotional appeals, while the opponents of commonwealth-funded dignity and humanity are the ones who seem so disproportionately enraged.
You decide to take from some, to give to others, and that you call empathy. Clearly, it is easy to be generous with other peoples money.
There is no dignity to be found in living life off of other peoples toils. Whether we say there is humanity in that sort of life, depends on our view of human nature, or perhaps, what we view is proper for humans to do.
Take the case of a middle aged Australian couple, my parents; they make between them, just short of $100k. They are taxed about $25k. After taxes, with high prices, and responsibilities, they don't do particularly well, but they get by. Say one of them becomes ill; say the woman needs an operation to remove a growth. The Australian healthcare system refuses to take care of the issue. They are forced to pay near 15k medical bills, after private insurance which they pay for from their own pocket, and go into debt to do so. Is this right? People who had the means to pay for themselves, were forced to enter into debt. They would of had, over the years, the money over and over again to pay for the surgery, and much more.
My father, as well, had his own personal run in with medicare. He suffered a stroke, and was told by doctors in Brisbane, that they simply couldn't offer him even a scan. He went home. Then came the next stroke, again they told him "No, sorry, you need to have three strokes before we can do anything." I ******************** you not. Eventually he pleaded, and begged, and they allowed him to receive treatment. A man who makes more than enough money, if not for taxes, to take care of himself, was forced to beg a government that had robbed him, to take care of him. How sick is that?
I promise you NSU, there is nothing at all empathetic about what progressives do.
putoff, I appeal to you: go live in a cabin in the woods like Kaczynski. No one will bother you. We'll consider your taxes paid to date as fair compensation for your safe birth and untrammeled youth, education and use of public infrastructure. We'll even let you continue to use the relatively clean air and water that transits your homestead. I assure you no IRS agent will come looking for you.
But if you insist you don't owe anything, then don't pay into our system and stop using all of it too. Stop stealing the internet that my government paid to create and maintain. Stop stealing my roads that my taxes paid for. Stop stealing the medicine my taxes pay to research and safely deploy. Stop stealing the electricity for which my government regulates the price. Surely your bootstraps will be sufficient.
I'm afraid you're wrong; what of property taxes. If I was to go off to live by myself, and away from the things that you (falsely) believe government pays for, the government would still hound me for the "privilege" of living on my own land.
This is my biggest problem with big government advocates; you don't allow anyone to opt-out. I don't mind, if you and others choose to live with taxes, with the promise of privileges if you fall on hard times. That's fine by me, but give those of us who don't a way out. No medicare, no medicaid, no welfare, no social security, no state schools, no state government assistance, nothing -- no direct privileges of any sort; I'd give it all up. Just don't come to me looking for money. If the USA offered such a deal, I think many people would take it.
Well I was about to comment, but seeing as this is already 5 pages long, it reminded me of youtube. come on guys, lets keep this forum about things that matter to us, like why I check the downshifting shutoff thread everyday because I am afraid it will happen to me, and put theories about government and economics to different forums.
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I'm afraid you're wrong; what of property taxes. If I was to go off to live by myself, and away from the things that you (falsely) believe government pays for, the government would still hound me for the "privilege" of living on my own land.
There are millions of acres of land in the U.S. that if you just homesteaded (squatting) no one would ever bother you.
You just don't like paying taxes
And you have adopted a philosophical stance that allows you to enjoy the benefits of society without the simple unavoidable understanding that you owe something for this.
There are millions of acres of land in the U.S. that if you just homesteaded (squatting) no one would ever bother you.
You just don't like paying taxes
And you have adopted a philosophical stance that allows you to enjoy the benefits of society without the simple unavoidable understanding that you owe something for this.
Yes, they would come and bother me. I know a bit about the homesteading movement, as you'd imagine, and they buy their own land. One of the biggest problems among homesteaders, is the need to earn enough dollars to pay the property tax. You're simply wrong, NSU.
You are right about one thing; I don't like having to pay taxes, however, I also don't like other people having to pay taxes. People can enjoy the benefit of interacting with other people without paying the government for the pleasure, NSU; perhaps that's what you, and other progressives, do not understand.
If I want something, I will pay someone who can provide it to me. It is a choice that I should make, to purchase that product, to hire those services.
What it comes down to in the end, NSU, is that you are scared and childlike. You, and others, are afraid to be left on your own without government. Of course, to look after you, government needs to take from others, and so you're quite happy to have government do so. You don't care that it's wrong; you just want the money there for you. Yes, it's avarice, yes, it's cowardice.
Of course, the US government can't afford to look after us; it's borrowing half of every dollar it spends. Unfunded liabilities account for over 50 trillion dollars. I don't have to run away, NSU; socialism in America is a failed enterprise on its last legs. You don't really think you're going to collect on social security, do you?
What it comes down to in the end, NSU, is that you are scared and childlike. You, and others, are afraid to be left on your own without government.
As long we're throwing out insults, you're an anarchist and an inhuman monster and the only redeeming characteristic of your amorality is that it's based on your profound inability to understand the simple reality around you.
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