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Old 11-18-2012, 12:55 AM   #51
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As long we're throwing out insults, you're an anarchist and an inhuman monster and the only redeeming characteristic of your amorality is that it's based on your profound inability to understand the simple reality around you.
Hah! Inhuman monster? You want the government to commit crime, to steal and take from others that which doesn't belong to the government, and I'M an inhuman monster? I will say nothing but good things about giving, and human charity.

I'm not an anarchist either, not by a long shot; there is a place for government.

As far as my "inability to understand the simple reality around" me, what exactly do you mean?
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:24 AM   #52
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Taxation is not a crime against humanity, and it doesn't even rise to the level of injustice as long as there's representative democracy checking against it.

How did Kaczynski make it all those years in the woods without paying taxes? I'm telling you, dude, go live in the mountains. No one will give a ****.
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As an aspiring medical provider (physician assistant student), I thought I'd put in my $.02. First, research proves that the less people have to pay for medical care, the more they will use it. I fear we will experience a lot of growing pains as we adapt to a socialist health care system. On the one hand, it means job security for me and my peers. But on the other hand, with Obama care, the medical facilities and staff will be overworked. Compensation to medical providers under Obamacare is too little, because the government has to pay for everyone's health care and they set ridiculously low rates. It will no longer be worth it for doctors to go through 4 years of medical school and have enormous loans to repay just to become a family physician. That role will be filled by less experienced and lesser trained physician assistants and (gulp!) nurse practitioners (save us!) Only specialists who conduct complex procedures will be fairly compensated. Obama care will become the #1 budget expenditure, and it will either raise our federal deficit beyond our worst nightmares or it will raise our taxes beyond what the average American can afford. There are already too many people sitting around on welfare because minimum wage is barely enough to make ends meet when they get 30+ hours a week. Now, people will have to work 2-3 jobs and it simply won't be worth it. They'll all quit and get on welfare. Then we'll be even more screwed. I'm all for lending a hand to those in need. I'm just not for supporting the apathetic.
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-- you are the recipient of a LOT of money confiscated from your fellow Australians; people who had no choice in the matter.
Ozbenno, as an Australian who pays taxes I want to say that I'm more than happy to have contributed to your wellbeing, and the wellbeing of the millions of Australians who have been less fortunate than me health-wise. Not out of the sense that I may get my taxes paid back to me if I end up sick, jobless or whatever, but because I value human life more than a few extra bucks in my paycheck each week.
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Ozbenno, as an Australian who pays taxes I want to say that I'm more than happy to have contributed to your wellbeing, and the wellbeing of the millions of Australians who have been less fortunate than me health-wise. Not out of the sense that I may get my taxes paid back to me if I end up sick, jobless or whatever, but because I value human life more than a few extra bucks in my paycheck each week.
Far more articulate than anything I wrote.

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putoff, I admire your spunk but the concepts of personal freedom and peaceful, voluntary trade between rational self-interested men, in a social relationship uncoerced by threat of physical force, cannot penetrate the hive mind of the parasite collective or their willingly duped hosts.

This global social experiment wherein the underproductive many attempt to survive by expropriating the output of the overproductive few is going to end very, very badly for everyone involved.

"If something cannot go on forever, it will stop."

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putoff - thank you for the excellent links. I didn't know Faux news could be so "correct".
Someone there must be reading the Ron Paul site.

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In your first example, there is some debate between doctors in the NHS as to whether this treatment would be any more effective than surgery. In your second, there are clinical reasons that make operating on obese patients more risky, In your third example, the treatment is still experimental, and undergoing testing, and is not available on the NHS yet. In all cases, at least the patients WILL be receiving medical care, irrespective if they can afford it, or not. All these stories are in the News, because of the very nature of News. Most News stories are of the unusual things that happen, not the usual. I doubt you'd ever see a News story run along the lines of "Millions of people a year are happy with their healthcare.".
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This is a case in point regarding News coverage. The paper written by Andrew Wakefield was disproportionately reported on the News, without enough emphasis put on the fact that the large majority of doctors did not agree with it. Many mothers at the time decided not to have their children immunised with the MMR jab, with some fatal results.

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In your first example, there is some debate between doctors in the NHS as to whether this treatment would be any more effective than surgery. In your second, there are clinical reasons that make operating on obese patients more risky, In your third example, the treatment is still experimental, and undergoing testing, and is not available on the NHS yet. In all cases, at least the patients WILL be receiving medical care, irrespective if they can afford it, or not. All these stories are in the News, because of the very nature of News. Most News stories are of the unusual things that happen, not the usual. I doubt you'd ever see a News story run along the lines of "Millions of people a year are happy with their healthcare.".
The second link clearly shows people being denied care because the government doesn't like the way they behave. The third link shows some children being denied a life saving pill given to their peers.

Of course, you need to completely ignore that. If such a thought were to penetrate your mind, you might have a moment of realization.
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