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Old 12-02-2012, 11:18 AM   #51
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When the US government stops giving away money to corporations, like the oil companies and spending unneeded money on the military and wars, then it will find it's actually easy to pay for the health care and education of its citizens.
Thank you. Like I said, I'm not saying it can't be done. Just saying based on things as they are now, it's chances of success are very dodgy,

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Old 12-02-2012, 12:12 PM   #52
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Thank you. Like I said, I'm not saying it can't be done. Just saying based on things as they are now, it's chances of success are very dodgy,
I agree with that. Priorities need to be changed and changed fast.
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I would dare say that's because Democrats enable the symptoms and Republicans enable the cause. Alas, as NSU mentioned, cooperation essentially means your base won't even give you the job. It's hard to get ideological opponents to declare a goal, set aside their differences, objectively calculate a methodology, and implement it. Professional politicians are only allowed to be but so independent or moderate before they lose support, unfortunately.
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If you follow his reasoning, he wants to be free from the obligation to insure himself. That would mean that if he get's an accident or becomes chronically ill, he should basically be left to die as he took the risk not be insured.

I guess from a social-biological point of view he makes a strong case for survival of the fittest. Some food for thought...


I think more importantly, there's a culturally diverse group of people on this forum. I guess living in a large nation makes people less aware of other ways of organizing things. In Europe we have various groups of countries that organize things differently (i.e. the Nordic System, the Continental system, Anglo-Saxon system and the Mediterranean chaos - a la Esping-Andersen); I'm one of the few fans I guess of the European Union (as long as it remains mostly inter-state) and the way we compare the performance of countries with OMC's - it makes us far more aware of the alternatives and implications of various policies.

I'm actually sometimes taken aback by the way America get's governed - it's of course the government Americans choose for, but I wonder if Americans are truly aware of how much their country has gotten worse since the 60's and 70's - for example, some of the roads look worse than those ex-East bloc countries like Poland since clearly no one wants to pay the taxes to uphold them.
I'm not gonna chime in on health care, cause I pretty much agree with Wynne and company on this one..(Oh noes I live in the US, but agree with the Europeans/Canadians on this one!)

But...Tyrian...you hit the nail on the head with the roads...my CBR has seen many roads in the US(I did a cross-country trip this summer), and I've been appalled at the sheer lack of maintenance(or rest areas hah!) on both interstates and smaller street.
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But...Tyrian...you hit the nail on the head with the roads...my CBR has seen many roads in the US(I did a cross-country trip this summer), and I've been appalled at the sheer lack of maintenance(or rest areas hah!) on both interstates and smaller street.
Come to NC, we have great roads.
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Lets not forget that a major reason why health care is so expensive is that many of us choose to live unhealthy life styles. Today companies are realizing that the health of their workers helps keep their health costs down, well it works the same for the nation as a whole. Yes its good to eat processed food, in the fact that it keeps the economy going, like keeping people employed who work for Hostess, McDonalds, etc, but a lot of the people in the US are malnutritioned because of their life style choices and that causes them to have more sickness and more hospital visits.

Of course the government has a hand in this problem as well. When we make bad food more expensive and healthy food less expensive people will be able to afford a healthier life style and burden the health care system less, making it cheaper, making it more available to more people. Right now we have a system based on production, not health and until we change that nothing will change. Obesity will continue to rise, more people will become diabetic, etc.

There are many problems with the health care system, this is simple one of them. But fixing this will not only decrease the cost of the health care system, it will increase the health of people.
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