I read something awhile ago by a police officer about how not to appear dangerous. He said to flip open the helmet to facilitate communication but to wait to remove your helmet until you told the officer that this was what you were going to do. The reasoning was that a helmet in your hands could be used as a weapon.
He also recommended staying on the bike.
Both of these seem to counter common courtsy, but a police stop seems more like a situation for safety.
What do others think of this advice?
Good advice; you don't want the cop to think you're going to use anything as a weapon.
What I've done is to pull over, turn off the motorcycle, remove my helmet, and then set it on the ground next to me, staying on the motorcycle with my hands on the gas tank until Officer Friendly has come up to me. I greet him pleasantly and let him take it from there. The last thing you want to do is anything that could be perceived as a threat.
The results are that in all the times I've been pulled over, I have had to pay fines twice; both times for speeding, both times deserved. (The second time I was only ticketed for 60 in a 40 zone 'cause he hadn't clocked me when I was at 95 in a 55 zone, thank goodness ;^)
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If the cops pull you over, I'd recommend the same. Cops don't like people to get out of their vehicles/off the bike. And I suppose they could think you were going to use the helmet to bash their head in.
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I read something awhile ago by a police officer about how not to appear dangerous. He said to flip open the helmet to facilitate communication but to wait to remove your helmet until you told the officer that this was what you were going to do. The reasoning was that a helmet in your hands could be used as a weapon.
He also recommended staying on the bike.
Both of these seem to counter common courtsy, but a police stop seems more like a situation for safety.
What do others think of this advice?
Yes it seems the custom here in Australia to stay inside/on the vehicle and wait for the officer to approach you. They don't appear to like it if you try to get out of the car etc. I agree it feels like I'm indirectly saying "you come to me copper", and I feel rude . However, I've never had a bad interaction with the police so far, in fact quite the opposite, I've been let off with a warning several times when they could have booked me.
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Yes it seems the custom here in Australia to stay inside/on the vehicle and wait for the officer to approach you. They don't appear to like it if you try to get out of the car etc. I agree it feels like I'm indirectly saying "you come to me copper", and I feel rude . However, I've never had a bad interaction with the police so far, in fact quite the opposite, I've been let off with a warning several times when they could have booked me.
never been pulled over in the car but if i did, i would wait for the officer to approach me in the car and then do rego checks etc.
the only time you would really get out is if they want to show you the computer system for registration or licensing questions or to show you bald tyres, defects or if they want to search your car etc. or even arrest you otherwise i think you would regularly just stay in the car
i've had the cbr for about 5 months and have been pulled over twice, i guess they love bikes one was for when they stuffed up my license at servicesa and the police system said i was on my P1's but i was actually on my P2's because the servicesa dude didn't change it when i passed my hazard perception test
second time was because i turned onto the parade from portrush road and completely flogged it through 2nd and 3rd i think it was and went straight past the cop with the yoshi exhaust can buzzing and then i saw him pull out so i hit the skids which was probably so obvious i was speeding and then he followed me. I tried changing lanes and i filtered to the left of a car at the traffic lights to try and kind of get away but he got me and told me to slow down etc. and gave me a breatho and told me my exhaust isn't compliant and just had a general chat but he didn't book me, he just said if you don't want to draw attention to yourself i would lose the exhaust and to ride safe
both times i was pulled over i got off the bike though, it feels weird if you sit on the bike while they come over and it feels rude, i just get off and remove my lid
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never been pulled over in the car but if i did, i would wait for the officer to approach me in the car and then do rego checks etc.
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both times i was pulled over i got off the bike though, it feels weird if you sit on the bike while they come over and it feels rude, i just get off and remove my lid
Ive been pulled over loads of times in the car...used to drive a '74 Celica with the 2TG engine (DOHC, twin double barrel carbs, mild cam, headers and sports exhaust...she used to set off motion sensor car alarms and make house windows rattle ). That goat was a real attention grabber, and it made it 10x worse if ya wore a baseball cap - I got stopped for "rego checks" then even keeping her calm and quiet. They much prefer it if ya stay seated in the car and wind down the window - I've been told not to get out when I once tried to.
Yeah, I guess it would feel weird sitting on the bike though. Never had that issue yet...LOL, you filtered while they were clearly tailing ya LOLOLOL, nice try!
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I usually use my debit card at the pump but when I go in I take it off. But when on snowmobile I never take if off and have never been asked to take it off.
Ive been pulled over loads of times in the car...used to drive a '74 Celica with the 2TG engine (DOHC, twin double barrel carbs, mild cam, headers and sports exhaust...she used to set off motion sensor car alarms and make house windows rattle ). That goat was a real attention grabber, and it made it 10x worse if ya wore a baseball cap - I got stopped for "rego checks" then even keeping her calm and quiet. They much prefer it if ya stay seated in the car and wind down the window - I've been told not to get out when I once tried to.
Yeah, I guess it would feel weird sitting on the bike though. Never had that issue yet...LOL, you filtered while they were clearly tailing ya LOLOLOL, nice try!
haha badass Dave
yeah i tried to discretely get away and not draw attention but he followed me wherever i went and then i saw his disco lights go crazy and thought i better stop
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yeah i tried to discretely get away and not draw attention but he followed me wherever i went and then i saw his disco lights go crazy and thought i better stop
Haha, chicken - thats what God invented alleyways for Lewi . The Parade is a rabbit warren heh <jk>.
Dave
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I don't take my helmet off when I pump gas. Doesn't really seem necessary.
I do, however, take my helmet off whenever I go in anywhere. It even feels kind of weird to be carrying a helmet around with you into a store, but I'd rather have a couple funny looks than a stolen helmet.
Anyway, yeah, I never wear my helmet when I go into a store.
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Originally Posted by MotoMike
I don't remove my helmet at the pump, but I'm also using a credit card to pay at the pump. I don't know of any gas stations where you can pump gas without paying first, so driving/riding off without paying is really a non-issue... If I were paying cash inside the station I'd take my helmet off before going in. With the frequency of armed hold ups being what they are today, it's not too hard to put yourself in the shoes of the clerk behind the counter.
I didn't know this until recently, but in the UK you actually do fill up before you pay. That's why my English friend told me, anyway.
. However, I've never had a bad interaction with the police so far, in fact quite the opposite, I've been let off with a warning several times when they could have booked me.
otherwise i think you would regularly just stay in the car
one was for when they stuffed up my license at servicesa and the police system said i was on my P1's but i was actually on my P2's because the servicesa dude didn't change it when i passed my hazard perception test 
