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My brothers and one of their friends just tell me to give her hell when I go out on the open roads, and I kinda did in a gradual way when I got her to 90mph that one day but I don't know, it just seems like shes not ready for all that. And my intention isn't to blast through on top speed, I just was kinda listening to the boys and figured maybe pushing her to speeds higher than we'll normally be doing might open her up faster and MAINLY get her RPMs lower when we do 70+mph.
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[long response for novice,, experienced
just scroll on bye - or get a cup of tea

provided your oil and coolant fluids are ok
ie, up to normal levels, your honda
will handle all normal conditions..

its not so much the number of miles you pass
per hour of time, rather how nice and smooth
your transitions are..
from stopped to going, from going to stopped..
from low revs ie, throttle position, to high revs
or full fuller throttle opening..
from clutch lever in [clutch disengaged]
to friction point, where clutch plates start
to push together, allowing engine power
to start to flow thru the clutch [plates]
thru into engine sprocket thus chain
thus rear sprocket thus wheel/tyre/road..

similarly brake levers, hand and foot..
the smoother your squeezing,, of levers,
the smoother and better will be braking
and release of power each gear change
and when taking off from lights etc..

this amounts to control of the motorcycle..
control as in easy minimal effort direction
of mind and intentions into what happens..

you can practice just riding up and back
on that quiet long road, just thinking of
and going for smooth use of levers/throttle
and brakes.. at first as in most things
you start slowly, going for good technique
[smoothness, squeezing, rather than grabbing]
which will, with repetition, naturally begin
to become more efficient, thus faster
while still based on smoothness...

try marking a spot on your quiet road
each end of your run [a box or anything]
then ride from one mark to the other,
coming to a stop - smoothly, thru the gears -
then doing a U turn, slowly and smoothly,
in one movement, after looking both ways,
then watching across your half circle,
to where you are going, ie to start back
the other way.. and so on..

first do the run thru the gears a couple of times
to see how far it takes to get thru the gears
[no need to go past 5th imo] then mark that spot..
when repeating between your marks think of
nice smooth changes and squeezing throttle,
then smooth changes down, adding squeezing
the brake lever and rear brake foot lever..
[start with rear brake then front brake
to develop the habit of rear first]
this is enough for developing real skills
based on attitude while doing the runs
and all important - repetition -

what you are doing in dedicated practice
like this is starting to build what will become
reflex actions.. ie, still under control of mind
but becoming more the thought of changing,
or starting braking, or throttling on or off,
than trying to think of every little detail
of what fingers, hands, feet, eyes etc
are all doing..

it does become just like a bird [pigeon say]
allowed to fly morning and evening every day..
it will become a skilled flyer, without effort,
compared to the bird only allowed out
once a week or rarely [the hawks dinner]..

as for dropping it, good that you picked her up,
which is a skill in its own right [check youtube
for various methods of lifting dropped motorcycles]
its worth analysing out where and when you dropped
her, and avoiding those situations for now..

eg, i dropped my cbr250r when first starting on her
[after a break from riding] simply doing a turn from
parked uphill] across the camber to go downhill,
mainly did the turn ok but was too caution,
which allowed gravity to take her/our mass
and pull us down.. softly as i caught her, but still..
the point being from then on i parked over the road,
rear to kerb, so started out going downhill,,
thus gravity effects could only help us
go downhill.. things like that..

take your time starting off from parked generally,
so as to avoid needing to suddenly prop
should a car come from 'nowhere' etc..
once moving, her momentum is a real thing,
which will keep her moving upright and
balanced, in whatever direction you choose..

for turning and starting with a half or quarter turn,
specific practice riding your circles is excellent..
any quiet flat place with no traffic, such as a carpark
or school park area [on the weekend] will do
where you can ride around the area, doing quarter
turns at the corners,, gradually making it into a circle..
then gradually, as you becme confident and its easy,
making your circle smaller.. bit by bit..

eventually you can ride around in a small circle,
in first gear, trailing rear brake for stability
[pulling back a little, as you use throttle
and clutch to add power to keep going]
looking and watching across, your circle,
to where youre going..
this is a bit unusual at first, but becomes
the natural thing it is with practice..
it also helps relax the inside, joints
such as elbow and inside neck,
which help take your body mass
a little bit into the corner,
helping natural steering..

anyway, you have a very good attitude
to your riding, and to your motorcycle..
bear in mind tho she is a honda,
with a new engine design, fuel injection
and liquid cooling, designed to last..

main running in [incl tyres and brakes]
is done now, so you can safely take her
up [and back down] thru the gears
and revs without worry..
she has a rev limiter anyway,
which will cut out at somewhere around
10.5krpm anyway if you over rev her..

for general riding between say 5 - 8krpm
is plenty and within her power/torque range..
doesnt hurt to let her go now and then tho,
when you feel confident and on a good road
without intersections, lights or traffic etc..

at some stage you may find yourself at lights
at the front and needing to get off the line
and into a diverging lane [etc] smartly..
sometimes some drivers may try to
dispute your road space, where she will,
be capable of holding her own..
then you need to let her go..
right up to the rev limiter if need be..

for the moment tho, continue learning
and enjoying your motorcycling,,
taking care, using your powers of
perception, not taking risks,
allowing plenty of braking distance
- especially in the wet -

any experienced motorcyclist can tell you
that while its good to fantastic to start
it still gets better, and better...

overconfidence, is a danger,
but so is under skilled
and under prepared...
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MAINLY get her RPMs lower when we do 70+mph.
That's not going to happen. The RPM at any given speed is a function of the gear ratios in the transmission and the front and rear sprocket ratios. It's the nature of a small engine like a 250 to run at high RPM to produce power. At 70+ MPH there is a lot of power required to push through the air resistance. If the high RPM really bothers you at those speeds, you might consider a 500 or 650. Not for riding faster, but to have lower RPM on the highway.
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Do you wear ear plugs while riding? If not, get some good soft foam ear plugs with -32dB noise reduction rating (NRR). You will be amazed at how your ride will be less nerve-wracking and more comfortable, and the bike itself will feel calmer.
Just as important, if not more so, is that you will not damage your hearing from wind noise, and get tinnitus. You will appreciate that when you are 50+.
Ear plugs are part of my All The Gear, All The Time package.
You will get used to seeing ATGATT on forums. (hopefully)

Take what you hear from your brothers and their friends with a grain of salt (or sand, in your case).
There is an old saying that would have saved me from at least ONE crash - "Ride Your Own Ride"
(that is, don't ride fast just because someone "experienced" tells you too)
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My brothers and one of their friends just tell me to give her hell when I go out on the open roads, and I kinda did in a gradual way when I got her to 90mph that one day but I don't know, it just seems like shes not ready for all that. And my intention isn't to blast through on top speed, I just was kinda listening to the boys and figured maybe pushing her to speeds higher than we'll normally be doing might open her up faster and MAINLY get her RPMs lower when we do 70+mph.
Anyone who pushes someone like that is not to be listened to. That's how people get killed and kill people: riding past their skill level. If they ride as such, I'd steer clear of group rides with them.

Whenever I do group rides, I tell them to do the speed limit or they'll be riding without me. If they speed along, I drop behind and go off on my own route. Boys like to result to dick measuring by encouraging the breaking of the law and reckless behavior; I refuse to take part.
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Just to add a few pointers in addition to our seasoned riders here 1) the CBR is a single thumper....get used to the buzzy vibrations 2)the 250 responds to higher rpm's,,it doesn't need to 'get used to it' 3) your bike is broke in...as others are also telling you 4)stop speeding. You're a novice just starting out on your new riding career. If you like this motorcycle thing then be smart and live to ride another day. This is questionable if you're riding like a mad woman with zero experience to back you up. 5) the 250 has more than performed as per usual. Taking it out on an interstate for her engine to get to it at excessive speed is odd. It's a bike, not a Stallion.

So, all the best to you. Hope you apply the wise advice from the seasoned riders here. Many of them have decades of experience on dozens of different MC's. Listen to them and ignore wet behind the ears 'experts. Run far away from them. And have fun.

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@cbrlocal I understand. The boys aren't reckless when they drive, although occasionally they will open up and give it a good burst of speed in a very short distance, but its always when no one is around. Other than that they are safe and I trust them and never worry about them doing something stupid. They know how I've been riding and I think that phrase was just enough to get me to open her up a bit more. The boys have known my intention about getting her ready for the highway and I know they would never want me to do something stupid. I would never do something I didn't feel good about doing anyway. When I pushed Ursula (my bike) to 90mph (the boys never even specified a particular speed I should go, my goal was 80 but I felt good about giving her a good push once I got to 80 so I proceeded) that day I took a gradual approach, remaining comfortable, relaxed and in control and to me that was giving her hell, by the high RPMs (although I never red-lined her). I don't plan on driving at 90mph really ever but it's good to know shes capable of it. I am very aware of stuff that feels right or wrong and I know my surroundings and environment. I intend to keep a safe and humble approach always.
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as in many skills and pleasures
slow is not only good but better..

this applies especially to riding
your motorcycle, well, smoothly
and under good control..

high speed develops from low speed..
reflexes developed thru repetition
at low speeds are the same reflex
responses that will save you
at higher speeds..

its wonderful to have family and friends
including in motorcycling, but its also
wonderful riding solo.. low flying..

you can find a lot about yourself
just riding your motorcycle..

the person you are is manifesting in/as
the rider concerned for her motorcycle..
you can also take on her strengths,
as part of who you are, as a
motorcyclist..

so be concerned,, observant, caring,
in maintenance, adjusting chain, tyres,
changing oil and so on..
remember tho that she cant learn,,
and relies on you, to do the learning,
to keep you both running well and safely..

practicing, aside from experienced guidance,
is best done with full attention, alone..
just you and your motorcycle..
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