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E15 in your future if Trump has his way.

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Small price to pay to have a lot of positive changes in the states. There are plenty of non ethanol stations around that it won't effect USA CBR250r drivers.
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Small price to pay to have a lot of positive changes in the states. There are plenty of non ethanol stations around that it won't effect USA CBR250r drivers.
And where exactly are you seeing those "positive changes"? How is increasing the ethanol that is already killing CBR engines a good thing just because President Trump wants to pay off a political debt?
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Uh oh. We're getting political again.

And I'm out of popcorn. :/

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And ethanol-free fuel is virtually airports only (as aviation fuel) in Arizona. I really am not looking forward to higher ethanol levels in our gasoline.

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E15 has been rumored and talked about for years, nothing new there. And Trump is just trying to appease the corn growing farmers (after shafting the soybean farmers with his asinine tariff war). What Trump fails to understand, once again, is that it would take an act of congress to make any changes to the Clean Air Act. And with the powerful petroleum industry lobby in DC, that's not likely to happen anytime soon.

Here where I live, we have non-ethanol 87 PON unleaded gas available for $0.10 more per gallon than the price of E10 (86 PON). Both my truck (which is Flex Fuel equipped) and my wife's car consistently get 10% better fuel mileage using non-ethanol gasoline. It's also what I run in all my small engine powered stuff, both 2 & 4 stroke... they all start and perform far better on 100% gasoline.

I've said it before, "ethanol as fuel" is just another scam perpetrated on consumers.
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Small price to pay to have a lot of positive changes in the states. There are plenty of non ethanol stations around that it won't effect USA CBR250r drivers.
Positive changes? More like a large price to pay for negligible (at best) benefits. What do you see as "a lot of positive changes?" As an auto tech who see the repercussions of ethanol use, increasing the amount or ethanol in our fuel is not a positive thing (unless you are a corn farmer).
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E15 has been rumored and talked about for years, nothing new there. And Trump is just trying to appease the corn growing farmers (after shafting the soybean farmers with his asinine tariff war). What Trump fails to understand, once again, is that it would take an act of congress to make any changes to the Clean Air Act. And with the powerful petroleum industry lobby in DC, that's not likely to happen anytime soon.

Here where I live, we have non-ethanol 87 PON unleaded gas available for $0.10 more per gallon than the price of E10 (86 PON). Both my truck (which is Flex Fuel equipped) and my wife's car consistently get 10% better fuel mileage using non-ethanol gasoline. It's also what I run in all my small engine powered stuff, both 2 & 4 stroke... they all start and perform far better on 100% gasoline.

I've said it before, "ethanol as fuel" is just another scam perpetrated on consumers.
I wish we had ethanol free 87 for $0.10 more here. I can get it, but it's a good $0.50-$0.60 higher. So I just run e10 and make sure to periodically run B12 through my tank every 1000 miles or so.

My Ford Ranger FFV can do e85, but the limited stations that have it around here are not significantly cheaper than regular e10 gasoline. Some places in Iowa or mid-US can be over $1 a gallon cheaper, which could make it worth the lower mileage. But here, it's maybe $0.25 a gallon cheaper, and costs more in the long-run.

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I wish we had ethanol free 87 for $0.10 more here. I can get it, but it's a good $0.50-$0.60 higher. So I just run e10 and make sure to periodically run B12 through my tank every 1000 miles or so.

My Ford Ranger FFV can do e85, but the limited stations that have it around here are not significantly cheaper than regular e10 gasoline. Some places in Iowa or mid-US can be over $1 a gallon cheaper, which could make it worth the lower mileage. But here, it's maybe $0.25 a gallon cheaper, and costs more in the long-run.
Yeah, back when I lived in Santa Fe, NM I was paying about $0.50 more for non-ethanol gas, but that was for 91 PON Premium, and there was only one station in town that sold it. So at that time I wasn't running the non-ethanol in the car & truck, only buying it for use in all the small engine stuff, including the bikes & snowmobile.

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The whole ethanol problem becomes even more annoying at this time of year, when prepping & storing my CBR for the winter months is staring me in the face. My closest ethanol-free gas is several towns away, but I'm definitely grabbing a 5-gallon gas can and making the trip next week so I can store the bike without ethanol in it this year.
I figure I go to the trouble to change the oil & filter, lube the chain, give it a good wash & wax and all the other little chores I do in order to store it right every year. It's worth a little time and travel for the extra peace of mind of having a full tank of (treated) ethanol-free gas in it for up to 5 months while it sits idle on stands in the shed.
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