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post #21 of 42 Old 12-05-2015, 07:08 PM
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and recall thinking of getting the first model, made in thailand,
before the next year model was made/assembled in india..

google 'cbr650r made in india' gets plenty of info..

after following the very nice [imo] indian made royal enfield continental gt
as a potential option i was put off by reports of poor quality construction
and components etc.. honda may of course be able to translate design
excellent into top quality manufacture/assembly in india...
Everyone in India actually thought Honda was going to completely manufacture the 650F in India, but it didn't happen. Honda imports the engine as CBU(completely built unit) and the rest of the components as CKD(completely knocked down kit) from Thailand and assembles it in the plant at 2 bikes per day. Their sales target here is 30 bikes a month and they're meeting those numbers easily even though the bike costs about $13k OTD here after all the taxes.

If it was manufactured in India It would be selling in India for the same price as they're selling for in Thailand right now. There's not enough big bike market in India to justify local manufacturing yet. People are still content with the 250s/300s.

As for RE, well they have been making crappy bikes for decades and still have a long following. They're to India what Harley is to the USA. People will buy them nonetheless cos its a traditional thing.
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If it was manufactured in India It would be selling in India for the same price as they're selling for in Thailand right now. There's not enough big bike market in India to justify local manufacturing yet.

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Will need some more years,
Was the same in Thailand.
Before Kawasaki (imho the first big bike , made in Thailand, was the ER6 some time ago) stepped forward, everything over 200cc was either imported or Tiger

Imported was twice the price, as in the west.
After that came assembling, with a 1.5 times price, about.
Now you get local made bikes for the western worlds price.
And cheaper, b/c of the low local taxes
Also the world gets a lot of there bikes from Thailand.

Usually, India is a big rising market on it's own. Plus Brics.
There is still a chance, aside some free trade deals with ASEAN, that the manufacturers will see a market and the need of '100% india'
Rising economy will do.
So kick your politicians, the crowd need more money.
To buy the bike for want have or hobby, not for the need of transportation.
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... If I were looking at getting a bigger sport bike, the CBR650F is one I'd seriously consider.
Agreed.
It comes down to the Honda and the Kawasaki. They're both great motorcycles, but Honda's inline four trumps the Kawasaki's twin IMO.

2015 Honda CBR650F. Look at that exhaust. Sexy.
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That is a great looking bike, great share. I'm excited for the International motorcycle show to see it.
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Honda CBR650F vs. Kawasaki Ninja 650 vs. Suzuki SFV650 vs. Yamaha FZ-07 | MC COMPARO road test comparison

It's a 2014 test, but still, to compare the Kawa 650 twin, to the Honda four, it should get you some information.

And, in case the CBR 650 is in focus, how about a look at a compromise, between the Honda inline 4 and the Kawa twin?
Yamaha MT 09, a 'three' in a 188kg motorcycle, for about the Honda price



Have I said, I kind of find a triple really sexy?

Buying a new bike, in case it has nothing to do with 'need for transportation', is like the 45's pair of shoes, to put it in the closet!
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Afaik:

CBR 650's are from Thailand.
If I got that right, all Honda bikes, from 150cc to 650cc, and lots of the <150cc scooters, for the world markets, are from Thailand, these days
Plus the NC's
Not true. Models like the XR650L, CRF250R, CRF250X, CRF450R, CRF450X are made in Japan.

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... even though the bike (CBR650F) costs about $13k OTD here after all the taxes...
That's a lot... in the U.S., the CBR650F has an MSRP of $8499. Here where I live in New Mexico, the 650F would cost me just under $9000 OTD including all TT&L.



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This is what the 2016 CBR650F looks like for the U.S. & European markets...



I much prefer the 2015 Candy Blue version...

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But you know, that the CRF250R and CRF250X are motocross models?
The X is kind of a hybrid, but still called a racebike?

The CRF250F is total street legal. Made in Thailand.
And even the CRF250F's for Japan are coming from Thailand, now.

You 'got me'with the XR650L.
One of the biggest singles on the market.
And not often to spot in europe.

Also I forgot about the Super Sport model, the 600RR.
Still made in Japan. Or assembled in the USA, right?
And about the 400CC 'special for Japan', CB400F.
Would be a great bike to have, but need to be imported from Japan.

So I was inaccurate.
But I still think that it's not wrong to say, most bikes from 150cc to 650cc, plus lots of the scooters, are exported to the world from Thailand.
Usually you can see it on the price tag, in the Honda dealership, here

Asean is a big market, the plant's can deliver for other markets, the quality seems to be accurate.
(Manufacturing, not talking about the service side, here;-)

Not sure, if the rumors for a Honda 1000cc sportbike, or minimum a 800 cc (Kawasaki has the Z800 here), to be produced 2016 in Thailand, becomes/is true.
But would be a logical thing, to follow the competitor.
Everything official imported, even assembled, is a lot more expensive, as 'made in'.

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For the less adrenaline-deprived (I'm in my mid 70s), the CB500 bikes are excellent for town and touring.

My main use is around town and short trips (25 miles each way) into Tucson. However, I took it to Montana on the curviest roads I could, and enjoyed the bike immensely, riding ~400 miles/day for four days consecutively.

Oh, and I'm averaging 68.7 mpg (82 UK mpg).

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