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post #11 of 22 Old 04-10-2016, 01:54 PM
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Hindsight is clearest. Foresight applies it. Study these crash reports and aggressive riding helmet cam videos to figure out what could be done differently so you can learn from their mistakes to become a safer rider. Take responsibility for your own safety and for promoting motorcycling by riding safely and politely.
I do this all the time with my wife and then we talk about what they could have done differently..as we get older we realize how precious, short and fragile our lives are
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I like this one from another forum.
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One of my instructors teaching at the MSF when I took it with my wife was a police officer.

He said "accidents" are when things beyond your control happen.... tire blowout, wheel falls off, deer hits you, etc... Everything else is a "traffic crash" and is avoidable.
I made a similar point in another thread here a couple years ago... I don't remember the title of that thread, but I recall that some of the replies to my post adamantly rejected the idea that they were "crashes" and not "accidents", while also rejected the idea that one or both parties involved could have actually done something to prevent/avoid the incident.

I'd agree with the scenario of a deer jumping out in front of a vehicle at the last possible moment as being a legitimate "accident"... there's nothing anyone could do to avoid that from happening, anymore than one could prevent a large boulder that breaks loose from a steep hillside and lands in the direct path of a moving vehicle (or worse, on top of the vehicle).

As for things like a tire blow out, a wheel falling off, brake system failure, etc. I think those sorts of incidents are a bit of a gray area when it comes to fitting the definition of an "accident"... while obviously freak things do occur from time to time, at the end of the day we all are very much responsible for the road worthiness of our vehicles. For example, if a crash is caused by a tire blow out at speed, and that tire happened to be worn down past the safe tread indicators, had significant weather checking on the sidewalls due to dry rot, was over or under inflated, or any combination of those factors, it would clearly be wrong to label such an incident as an "accident" and therefore not preventable.

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taking responsibility, while riding on the roads
is similar to having responsibility for a group of
children, in that no matter how nice they may be,
any of them may take off or trip on something
of fall down steps, and so on..

in traffic situations other drivers are the children,,
likely to take off or change direction or stop
contrary to traffic flow, or your presence..

so taking responsibility while not 'fair'
must include making allowances for
and being prepared for, other drivers'
erratic behaviors..

one example of foresight..
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From another forum regarding Lane Splitting in Cali:
[quote=rito Countless times watching the traffic portion of the morning news "motorcycle down in the carpool lane" and I just replay the visual of the guy zipping over the dashed white lines. quote

I'm all for legalizing lane splitting. It has been proven in studies to reduce traffic congestion for the bikes and the cars, by reducing the number of cars on the road and by letting more vehicles get through intersections quicker. The downside is that it seems to have created a "me first" selfish riding style that forgot everything about just following along when the opportunity for splitting isn't right.


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From a quote from an article in another forum.
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Attitude also plays a part. Taking responsibility for your own actions is easy, but because you, the motorcyclist, will more likely suffer bodily harm in the event of a crash, then you, the motorcyclist, must take responsibility for everyone else’s actions as well. This means being tuned into not only your self, your bike, and your environment, but also being aware of other drivers, correctly anticipating their behavior, and effectively avoiding hazards before they place you at risk. Ideally, a skilled rider avoids hazards before they even become hazards.
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I really wish more people would think this way. I am about to turn 19 and have been riding on the road for 3 seasons and 3 years on dirt before that. I have yet to have a close call with another vehicle. I am always anticipating other drivers don't know I'm there. Keep myself where they can see me and not hit me. Just riding in the car with friends I can see they do think the same. They put the vehicle in positions that could lead to a collision, mostly passing vehicles and pulling out even though they can't know if the coast is totally clear. And when ever an incident happens its never their fault, its the other drivers.

Anyways, love the message of this thread and I really hope it changes peoples minds.
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There's an old aviation saying: good judgement is the product of experience; unfortunately too much of experience is the product of poor judgement.
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And when a problem does occur, they resist blaming others because they know that most mishaps can be avoided through their own actions."
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What if someone suddenly stops in front of you, makes an illegal u-turn, without signalling???? Causing a 3 vehicle pile up?

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Never seen that one. But the vast majority of videos I do see on youtube that end in the bike crashing or giving the finger, could have been easily avoided, if they were not actually outright caused by the motorcyclist themselves riding too fast or with a selfish attitude.


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