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post #21 of 56 Old 01-10-2017, 05:35 PM
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hi-vis of course helps the visual centers of brains..

the only flaw being in assuming that all drivers
will avoid us if they see us...

which is just not so..
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I try not to let anyone get close enough to do what the video showed. It is harder to prevent lane crossers from getting you when they are stationary or coming towards you.

So far, I've managed to avoid other vehicles, except for a car traveling parallel to me in the faster lane, that turned in front of me to get an angle parking space. This was back in the 1960's in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. I wound up with my left hand grip wedged in the passenger's door handle when we came to a stop. No damage to me or the bike, but it got a tad exciting.
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When I'm on a multi-lane highway / motorway, I try to move faster than traffic. I feel like that puts me in control of positioning and distance, rather than whoever is coming up behind me to overtake. My goal is thread through the wolf packs and try to find a clear space between pods of traffic. If someone wants to overtake and is moving at a high rate of speed, I stay well over and let them by.
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^Problem with that is that you can't do that without speeding as the cars surely won't go slower than the speed limit themselves.
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But you can _try_ to keep a cushion of space around you that you don't let cages enter.

Admittedly, I find that easier now with a 471 cc bike than with the 249 cc bike.


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When I'm on a multi-lane highway / motorway, I try to move faster than traffic. I feel like that puts me in control of positioning and distance, rather than whoever is coming up behind me to overtake. My goal is thread through the wolf packs and try to find a clear space between pods of traffic. If someone wants to overtake and is moving at a high rate of speed, I stay well over and let them by.
I do that as well - as much as possible.

Being overtaken puts you at a disadvantage IMO. I never linger next to a vehicle if at all possible, and try to not spend any time directly next to one if there is an option.
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^Problem with that is that you can't do that without speeding as the cars surely won't go slower than the speed limit themselves.
I'll rather take a ticket for US$200 than go down on the highway...
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agree on riding within clear space..
eg being filtering to the front at lights
so as to then take off into clear road space..
ie, 'motorcycle space'..

similar for higher speeds with potentially
wider space.. if a pack of them are taking up
a highway space they will all be on or above
the speed limit,, so i can sit back and watch them..

if/when they break up taking off ramps etc,
i will take best free space as it opens up..

i/we are limited with lower power, compared to
my last 750's which simply took what they wanted..
but the principle remains,, just a narrower range of
options.. if it means slowing, dropping back etc
to keep good clear space, then que sera..

in traffic situations such as thru shopping areas etc,
its the same principle within smaller spaces,
which then include escape routes/options
cars dont have,, any space a motorcycle can
fit into/thru is a mini-clear space..

in suburban type situations i will sit back from them
unless observing imo poor driving skills/erratic driving
thus dropping further back, waiting for a clear overtake,
them taking them out of my safe space..
we can overtake anything within a short distance
from normal low suburban speeds..

the overtake is also valid [as opposed to moving back]
in situations where another car is coming up behind,
so other than pulling over smartly to let him past
you want to take the suspect one ahead so as to not
be trapped between a poor driver and an unknown
up behind you... with less space or options...

best imo to leave 5 or 10 mins early, giving yourself
extra space - time space - less hurry, wider options..
when alone or distanced from cars, its pleasant to
simply enjoy the ride..
or for longer stints in the saddle
to pull over for a stretch...
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I'll rather take a ticket for US$200 than go down on the highway...
I would rather do neither. My insurance rates would tally up quite a bit over the next 7 years, plus lawyer fees. And I think I'd rather die than go to court again, in all seriousness.

I've never been in a situation where going faster would ever remedy a problem I would have that couldn't be accomplished by going the speed limit and being preemptive with my actions instead. That comes with less risk and a higher margin of safety instead of adding another hazard of speed to solve a potential hazard resulting from traffic passing me.

Interstates have emergency lanes. If I felt an incoming driver behind me, being in the right hand lane, was possibly a hazard to hit me, that's always an escape option. I just can't endorse the view that riding faster because everyone else is going faster is the solution. It's just compounding the problem. If the rider in the original video was going faster, the same situation still would have happened. Speed wouldn't have helped him react.
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its not just speed, but positioning..
there are better, safer places to be
than other higher risk places..

speed, can be any speed..
one of my pet practices is riding at speed
equivalent to slow walking pace..

also speed is [real world] relative,,
ie, 80kph filtering would be high speed,
whereas on the motorway [here 100kph]
it would be 20kph below typical speed..
there will be a range for traffic speed,
on motorways you can find someone
or a group at he speed you prefer..
then position yourself to best advantage,
using them as shields and visible objects
other car drivers brains notice and avoid, etc..

higher speed for a few seconds overtaking
can be a safety factor,, relative to staying
in bad positions, eg; near erratic drivers..

if any rider has any doubts about any
positioning maneuver, best listen to
that inner voice..
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