250r update and mods, any other suggestions

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Chrisbud410

Discussion Starter · Oct 19, 2021

So this is the 2012 I’ve been dumping money into for fun let me know opinions and what else would like to be see done to it “that can’t be done”
Leo Vince lv10 pipe
Tinted windscreen
160 rear tire
13t front sprocket
Thinking about a power commander if anyone has one let me know if any decent results
Feel free to comment, critique, question anything

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Tamir

· #21 · Nov 4, 2021 (Edited)

DannoXYZ said:
here's software to re-program factory ECU. Gotta know what you're doing. Very, very easy to blow up engine when straying away from factory settings...

Honda Bike: now in OBD with KESSv2 and Powergate3+! - Alientech News & Blog

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www.alientech-news.com

This is a really interesting innovation. Thanks!

The software is free, the device is not.
The cost of the device (alientech-tools.com/kessv2) on AliExpress(LINK - Fake)...I saw at $ 80 full kit including software and cables. It is the device: ONLY for updating the values on the computer.
Fake for Reasonable price at 80 USD???
Alientech Kess v2 Master — 1738 $ LINK????

But the instrument for determining "what values?" is the most expensive part, very expensive. The Dyno device!!!
And as you wrote you have to be careful not to destroy the engine.

P.S. Or will you surprise me one more time? There is a plug-and-play Dyno device, which is connected to the computer (and the sensors), and then you ride with it under the desired conditions, and then the optimal data is retrieved from it, and it is also in reasonably priced?

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DannoXYZ

· #22 · Nov 4, 2021

Well, between software-download from AlienTech-Tools.com and hardware from Ali, you may have working solution. I suspect hardware boxes have serial# embedded and free software checks back to mothership to verify serial# is validated. Wouldn't hurt to try.

Problem is, once you've connected to ECU and downloaded factory maps, what are you going to do with it?
How would you know what, where to adjust in which direction???

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Tamir

· #23 · Nov 5, 2021 (Edited)

DannoXYZ said:
I suspect hardware boxes have serial# embedded and free software checks back to mothership to verify serial# is validated.

YES - I understand that AliExpress kit includes software burned into a CD that matches their kit. Other software will probably not fit into AliExpress hardware.
The problem may be elsewhere, and it's still a problem:
The kit does not include
an adapter\connector, for our CBR
There is a general connector, pin to pin, so the connection requires additional knowledge (which pin to connect to), and another possibility of errors and damage along the way.

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DannoXYZ said:
Wouldn't hurt to try.

YES - At reasonably priced, currently 75 USD...(LINK)
Need to read reviews, need to study the subject (there are videos on YouTube) ...
For amateurs who do not want, or can not make expensive investments in professional equipment, this KIT seems to me very nice. Anyone interested in tuning is worth asking and checking this out.

DannoXYZ said:
what are you going to do with it?

In my particular case, a second hand motorcycle, with a history of neglect,

This is how 2 years of LOW level maintenance looks like...

Lately I bought a CBR250RD model 2013. In its last two years its maintenance has been at low level. If I need to replace a tire, or coolant, or plug, or brake pads ... etc. This is a normal situation at second hand purchase. To this post I will download a pictures of the "Original" maintenance...

www.cbr250.net

Its might be worth seeing that the map is the right map, and if not then raise Honda's default?

DannoXYZ said:
How would you know what, where to adjust in which direction???

YES - Will you surprise me one more time? There is a plug-and-play Dyno device, which is connected to the computer (and the sensors), and then you ride with it under the desired conditions, and then the optimal data is retrieved from it, and it is also in reasonably priced?

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DannoXYZ

· #24 · Nov 5, 2021

Tamir said:
YES - I understand that AliExpress kit includes software burned into a CD that matches their kit. Other software will probably not fit into AliExpress hardware.
The problem may be elsewhere, and it's still a problem:
The kit does not include an adapter\connector, for our CBR

Did you scroll to bottom of AlienTech link? There is link to adapter cable.
https://www.alientech-shop.com/product/144300k270/

Can also buy DLC to OBD2 adapter cable. Then KESS attaches to OBD2 connector.

Amazon.com: Motorcycle 4Pin to OBD OBD2 Diagnostic Adapter CANBUS Cable for Hon-da Motorbike, Compatible with Diagnostic Scanner for Programming Reading Code ECU Tune : Automotive

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Tamir

· #25 · Nov 6, 2021 (Edited)

Sorry, my mistake, I was meant to ask if there is a cheap amateur device that doing "Tuned On a Dyno"?
And I updated my comments above.
It turns out that it is not really profitable to do it alone, and with a mechanic who specializes in Dyno it is really not inexpensive, just need to be sure that it really is an expert before entrusting the motorcycle to him, for reference2006:

How much should I pay for a dynotune?

Considering getting a powercommander with a bmc to compliment the exhaust. What is a reasonable price to pay to have the shop create a map for my bike?

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DannoXYZ

· #26 · Nov 7, 2021 (Edited)

Are you asking about diagnostic tool or something for tuning/adjusting ECU? They are completely different. For diagnostics, you've done that very well with following procedures in manual. Best tools have been used by good mechanics for 100-years: multimeter, vacuum gauge, fuel-pressure gauge as shown in manual.

For tuning, you have to find dyno shoppe with person who knows how to use the specific tuning tools for your bike. Running dyno and drawing pretty graphs is easy. Modifying bike's OEM maps to improve is much, much more difficult and you must have person that knows the specific tuning software for your specific bike model. In S.F. Bay Area, you can get basic dyno graph for U$150/hr. But to find shop that has competent tuner is U$600/hr.

I gave you link to datalogging tool for tuning in previous posts.

Once you have factory maps downloaded, you can use datalogs for analysis and modify maps with this software TunerPro and TunerPro RT - Professional Automobile Tuning Software

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DannoXYZ

· #27 · Nov 8, 2021

Here's another source for interface hardware and cable:

Honda ECU Flasher Hardware Cable Lead Kit

Honda ECU Flasher KKL Adaptor 4 pin Cable Lead

www.lonelec.co.uk

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