Good read. I'm glad I've found this thread as it is helping me gain more insight to making my final decision onto purchasing either an ABS or non-ABS model in the future.
ABS model, or not? Which do you have?
ABS model, or not? Which do you have?
I have ABS, b/c it rains 60% of the year here.
I have ABS, b/c it rains 60% of the year here.
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Just to mention: Honda does not import ABS equipped models in Italy.
God knows why.
My choice was easy, then: black,nonABS
God knows why.
My choice was easy, then: black,nonABS
I don't often ride on icy roads; how about you?Metalstorm, I had a 1992 Honda Accord and had the same problem with over-sensitive ABS although my problem was on icy roads. I sometimes had to jam on the parking brake to avoid a collision. So I installed a switch in the wire that led to the ABS fuse. I presume the same could be done on the CBR 250R. I believe if the fuse is blown then the system reverts to non-ABS
So, what happens with ABS when you progressively brake near the limits of adhesion? The ABS never intervenes. The best of both worlds.Not trying to start an argument, and promise I won't participate in it if that's where it goes....
In addition, most tests indicate that while ABS is more consistent, it does not stop faster than properly applied non-ABS brakes in stopping. In fact, the CBR manual specifically states that ABS will take longer to stop than a non-ABS bike. Progressive braking near the limits of adhesion is the fastest way from X to zero.
RIDE SAFE!
Just because your bike has ABS you do NOT want to abandon everything you know about good braking. In fact, you definitely should practice it.
My point has always been is is a bit of a safety net; when the coefficient of friction drops below what you expect, or you "panic" stop applying brakes in an emergency situation & your adrenalin conspires with your grip to squeeze a bit harder than you would otherwise. Peace, brother.
I could have sworn that I made that very same point in the next paragraph: however, let it be written that I agree 100% with what you said.Just because your bike has ABS you do NOT want to abandon everything you know about good braking. In fact, you definitely should practice it.
My point has always been is is a bit of a safety net; when the coefficient of friction drops below what you expect, or you "panic" stop applying brakes in an emergency situation & your adrenalin conspires with your grip to squeeze a bit harder than you would otherwise. Peace, brother.
I teach Fire & Rescue, and the concept of "panic" is something we constantly address. In a crisis, people act instinctively: the only way to alter instincts is with training. The goal is to replace panic with action - people panic when they don't have a solution, and solutions come from having a way out. The old saying "The more thinking you do before things get exciting, the less exciting things are" is never truer than when riding bikes. Every time I have to grab a handful of brakes, I ask myself why I had to: did I look away at the wrong time? Take my attention off the oncoming vehicle? Miss the cue that he was slowing as he approached an intersection? I tell my firefighters that if they're going to make a mistake, make a new one - don't recreate someone else's screwup.
My goal is to never explore the limits of braking unless I'm practicing. There's a section of nice clean pavement right before my last turn to go home - I'm really close to getting a clean "stoppie" there because that's my practice stop (yes, I always check six before nailing the brakes).
So we are in agreement. ABS can be useful, but if you depend on it to the exclusion of awareness and braking skills, you're destined to be road pizza.
Luke
I'll never understand this confusion over ABS. All this talk of ppl thinking its some mysterious thing out to make someone crash lol.
Combined braking aside, I'll bet 99% of ppl could ride an abs bike without the ABS stickers and not even know the difference.
Its there.. its an option... It may kick in occasionally and stop a full lock up.
Simple.
Combined braking aside, I'll bet 99% of ppl could ride an abs bike without the ABS stickers and not even know the difference.
Its there.. its an option... It may kick in occasionally and stop a full lock up.
Simple.
Glad we're in agreement Luke! I know myself well enough to know ABS is a blessing to me & well worth the extra $500 and the wait to have. It certainly is a personal decision. Being the technical person I am, I have expoused my beliefs so others could make an intelligent decision. I only wish Honda would have made either available so riders could actually choose. I sincerely hope mine actually is delivered in Sept when my guy told me to expect it.
we dont even get ABS where i am...
but i suppose non ABS is more fun if you want to slide around a bit and what not
optimism!
but if we had ABS available id have bought that
but i suppose non ABS is more fun if you want to slide around a bit and what not
optimism!
but if we had ABS available id have bought that
So where are you from?we dont even get ABS where i am...
but i suppose non ABS is more fun if you want to slide around a bit and what not
optimism!
but if we had ABS available id have bought that
New to motorcycles so i opted for the ABS model. I'd rather have it and not need it then need it in wet weather and not have it.
Hoping it might help resale when i move to a bigger bike too!
Hoping it might help resale when i move to a bigger bike too!
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