ABS on the Honda CBR250R?

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Fireblade

Discussion Starter · Jan 27, 2011

So the CBR250R will be available with combined ABS as an option. Is this an influence in which model you buy? I've never locked the front tire before so I don't see why such a small motorcycle would need it. What do you guys think?

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Jackal

· #2 · Jan 28, 2011

As a newer rider I'm always afraid I could lock the front tire if/when I hit the brakes too hard, especially if I'm splitting lanes. ABS on the CBR250R would be something to make me feel better about squeezing the lever as hard as I want without worry.

Honda-fan

· #3 · Feb 3, 2011

Jackal said:
As a newer rider I'm always afraid I could lock the front tire if/when I hit the brakes too hard, especially if I'm splitting lanes. ABS on the CBR250R would be something to make me feel better about squeezing the lever as hard as I want without worry.

I'm also a new rider here, my first few cars didn't have ABS but my recent one does and it makes a difference also makes you feel much safer behind the wheel. Having ABS on a motorcycle is a plus, im glad Honda is adding ABS to the CBR250R.

This is a diagram i came across of Honda's combined ABS system

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2wheelin

· #4 · Feb 4, 2011

For anyone still thinking about getting ABS or not, watch this video and decide for yourself. It shows the difference in braking from ABS brakes vs non-ABS.

250 Tom

· #5 · Feb 20, 2011

My local dealer only got 9 of the new 250s to sell and none were ABS. Maybe they made a mistake but they didnt think anyone would want to pay the difference and didnt think it was really needed on a bike that small.

Rider

· #6 · Feb 22, 2011

Fireblade said:
So the CBR250R will be available with combined ABS as an option. Is this an influence in which model you buy? I've never locked the front tire before so I don't see why such a small motorcycle would need it. What do you guys think?

I'm on the fence about it. The money could be better spent just on upgrading the tires to stickier sport rubber. I realize all the stats and all that that says ABS saves you in a panic.

Motorcycles got by w/o ABS for decades, and racers still don't use it. So that kind of throws the challenge out to me to get better and work on my skills/reflexes.

Notasquid

· #7 · Feb 22, 2011

If this ABS is anything like what Honda puts on the CBR600RR and 1000RR it would be a no-brainer to get it.

Notasquid

· #8 · Feb 22, 2011

Notasquid said:
If this ABS is anything like what Honda puts on the CBR600RR and 1000RR it would be a no-brainer to get it.

It's not. Honda C-ABS on the CBR is perceptible according to reviews, and it does pulse like automotive ABS systems do. The CBR600/1000 systems are more sophisticated.

greenpeace

· #9 · Apr 4, 2011

hey guys, i'm a newb looking to buy my first bike, i'm planning on getting the cbr250r. I am currently learning on my sister's Ninja 250R, which doesn't have ABS. I feel confident in the brakes on her bike, so I am confused about whether or not to get ABS. Can anyone explain to me how the rear/front wheel brake integration will work? does that mean the rear brake can never be applied without the front brake also being automatically applied?

Thanks!

Michael

· #10 · Apr 4, 2011

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Fireblade said:
So the CBR250R will be available with combined ABS as an option. Is this an influence in which model you buy? I've never locked the front tire before so I don't see why such a small motorcycle would need it. What do you guys think?

I agree that locking the front wheel is unusual, on sealed surface anyway. However it is easy to lock the back wheel, especially when stopping quickly from high speed, and that can cause problems.

I think you should be focusing on the combined aspect more than the ABS. Braking is a difficult skill to master, requiring a high level of coordination. Ideally both front and back brakes should be applied at the same time, or the front a moment before the back. Under braking, momentum shifts the weight forward, so most (80%) of the braking is done by the front. The job of the back brake is mainly to balance the bike. At low speed the braking effort is more evenly distributed.

The general rule for braking is heavy on the front brake, gently on the back. Not easy for a novice rider, and even an experienced rider can get it wrong. The combined aspect of the system on the ABS model must make it a lot easier to get it right. The ABS itself is should only be seen as a backup, not confidence inspiring.

Venture off sealed roads and the combined ABS could become a hassle. It would add a bit of versatility to the bike if it could be turned off.

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greenpeace

· #11 · Apr 4, 2011

So would you guys get ABS on the CBR250R or no? I'm leaning towards no, but i don't know much about motorcycles other than a few months practice on a Ninja 250R without ABS. Those brakes seemed fine without ABS...

Thanks

Michael

· #12 · Apr 4, 2011

greenpeace said:
So would you guys get ABS on the CBR250R or no? I'm leaning towards no, but i don't know much about motorcycles other than a few months practice on a Ninja 250R without ABS. Those brakes seemed fine without ABS...

Thanks

For a bike such as the CBR 250 R, to be used primarily on sealed roads, I would be inclined to go with the combined ABS. The benefits are too great to be ignored.

kutter

· #13 · Apr 5, 2011

The only time I ever crashed was due to a panic stop where I grabbed too much front brake & locked it up. I went down very fast. I thought it swatted me to the pavement. Your chances of doing that on a wet road go up tremendously. i wanted ABS & I'm a seasoned rider. Fortunately for me, my dealer ordered 2 of them of 10, and only 1 was spoken for when I asked. I told him that the other is now spoken for, and promptly put some cash down. Then the icing. He said "I hope you didn't want the black one" which made me realize the other must be red. "I didn't want a black one"...God is good. He affirmed I had a red ABS ordered. YES!

Now I will probably have to wait till June, but that is OK

greenpeace

· #14 · Apr 5, 2011

Thanks for the info! Sounds like ABS is the way to go.

kutter

· #15 · Apr 5, 2011

It is worth the extra $500 I think.

naaim

· #16 · Apr 5, 2011

2

non ABS

this is ABS

ABS have extra 2 cables, thick fluid cable + 1 ABS sensor cable.

there also this slotted disk for the sensor.

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103

· #17 · Apr 5, 2011

naaim said:
non ABS

this is ABS

ABS have extra 2 cables, thick fluid cable + 1 ABS sensor cable.

there also this slotted disk for the sensor.

Notice the frontfender being to short - dirt and rain hits exhaust/engine, just as it did on my former cbr125 , i have to extend front and propely backfender again

bd8653

· #18 · Apr 5, 2011

good pointer, thanks Kim!

kutter

· #19 · Apr 5, 2011

The ABS has a 3 piston front caliper & the combined brake energized with the rear brake energizes the middle piston only for 1/3 of the front brake force combined with the rear brake. The other 2 pistons are energized with the front brake application.

I'd be worried about applying the front brake in some situations typically but with ABS the front will not lock up.

So I have to believe the braking is awesome. When you want to stop fast the rear could be hit hard & the front feathered on to avoid an unexpected stoppie.

TowJam

· #20 · Apr 9, 2011

Rider said:
...Motorcycles got by w/o ABS for decades, and racers still don't use it....

Keep in mind that racers are typically riding on well maintained pavement, are riding alongside other skilled riders - and most importantly, don't have to contend with soccer moms in their minivans drinking lattes and texting on their cell phones.

I'm a big proponent of ABS but I'm not a fan of Hondas combined system. There are times (u-turns for example) where you may need to leverage the rear brake and don't want the front brake applied.

Cheers!
TowJam

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