JERSEY CBR· Registered
sounds to me,like luke wish he bought ABS version.he's just trying to justify the reason he bought the bike without it,shudda went for the extra $500,lol
Luke! I do believe the C-ABS on the CBR250 works two ways: with rear brake only activated, you will apply abs to the rear brake and after some delay..it will apply the center puck on the front brake. If the front brake only is applied you will immediately activate abs for the front brake utilizing the two outside pucks but the rear brake will not be activated. Neither the front nor rear wheel can lock up with this system.Well, Jersey, you'd be wrong - I think you confused an unwillingness to waste time with soul-searching.
Fact is, if you've been riding bikes for awhile, you know how to use the front brake. Another fact is, according to the people who have reviewed the cbr250, is that abs works only if you use the foot pedal - if you grab the front brake like most of us have been taught, you can still lock it up - probably easier since now your right foot is clamping the center puck on the front wheel and your right hand is loading the other two. When the wheel stops turning, abs will supposedly release the center puck - new set of variables..
If you're going to ride like most of the BMW guys I know, with the communications and the ipod and the nav system, then I will concede you likely need abs. However, keep in mind that this isn't your Playstation - inattention or lack of ability may lead to a "game over" that can't be restarted.
I tend to agree with you Luke and it is important that riders aren't led to believe that ABS is a panacea that will magically "save" them from an imminent riding disaster. I hope most realize as you've stated, that proper preparedness (recognition and reaction) are essential to safer riding. However, you state that in most situations "Proper situation recognition and reaction ("See - Evaluate - Execute" in MSF jargon) will" [save you]. This is misleading. Proper situation recognition and reaction will reduce the likelihood of getting into trouble. And this is why such preparation is vital to safer riding. But even the best intentioned, knowledgeable, vigilant, experienced, skilled, and situationally aware riders can make mistakes. So what is wrong with combining technology and rider experience to reduce risk even further? That is why I would advocate for continually improving riding skills and knowledge, awareness, planning, executing, and reacting in combination with ABS. I don't have any impirical evidence to support this - but I am willing to bet that the overall safest bet for most people to reduce the likelihood of getting into trouble would be a combination of all the factors you advocate AND an ABS equipped ride.From the Motorcycle Daily review, referenced under the news topic:
If you want ABS, by all means get it. However, you're deluding yourself if you believe for a minute that ABS will save you in most situations - it won't. Proper situation recognition and reaction ("See - Evaluate - Execute" in MSF jargon) will.
I realize that I'm not going to change your mind, not really trying to. Arguing on the internet is like playing Russian Roulette - even if you win, you're still stupid.
Here's to safe and responsible riders and drivers. That way, everyone gets to go home.
Completely agree. Otherwise, almost all of us currently would be carelessly and stupidly "risking our lives" on non-ABS equipped bikes as that is what most of us ride right now.Guys, look: If you want ABS, get it - it's a personal choice, you may even get a slight break on your insurance (be sure to ask). But just because other, maybe more, maybe less experienced riders decide that's not the route they want to take, it doesn't necessarily mean they're "risking their lives" or being stupid.
Great point - and some would argue that we're carelessly and stupidly risking our lives by riding a motorcycle at all.Completely agree. Otherwise, almost all of us currently would be carelessly and stupidly "risking our lives" on non-ABS equipped bikes as that is what most of us ride right now.
Thanks Xplorguy! I tried to make the trip report entertaining, yet descriptive and informative for others thinking about doing the same thing. I had so much fun doing it - I am hoping by sharing it I might inspire others on this site to tour and camp on their CBR250Rs.Plus 1 !!! Very well said CBR250R. By the way, I enjoyed your camping ride reports!
Luke! You sound like a pretty smart guy to me..I would ride with you anytime..........Thanks, Xplorguy - I really wasn't trying to initiate a tree-wetting contest. By the way, the next page on the Honda article says that the majority of the people with ABS like it, so I do not believe that anyone going that route is making a "bad" decision.
I like manual trannies in cars and single-action auto pistols (1911s) as well, so you can always argue that I'm too old to know better.
CBR250R guy! I get the touring/camping idea...have done a good bit of it myself and hope to do more of it with the CBR250......Thanks Xplorguy! I tried to make the trip report entertaining, yet descriptive and informative for others thinking about doing the same thing. I had so much fun doing it - I am hoping by sharing it I might inspire others on this site to tour and camp on their CBR250Rs.
If you look at a diagram on this page: Honda Worldwide | CBR250R there seems to be a path from the front lever to the modulator and then front brake... I don't know for sure either, but I think ABS activated exclusively by the rear brake pedal would be very strange indeed.Every article I've read references ABS being controlled by the brake pedal and the front brake operating independently - that implies to me that if you use the lever, you're not in ABS land.