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Does anyone have any idea if r15 oil filter is compitible with cbr250r.
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Does anyone have any idea if r15 oil filter is compitible with cbr250r.
According to what I checked on the internet, the answer is NO!
But if you have a picture with dimensions and you can upload it here, then I can look and see what it is.
In the attached LINK you will find an alternative filter that is suitable for CBR250R(2013).
Just please NOTE: The oil filter for the CBR250R must be assembled with the rubber gasket facing towards the engine (Otherwise the oil passage is blocked, and the engine can be completely destroyed)!!!
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When in doubt, to with OEM filters.
You see, we are probably representatives of two completely different approaches.
For example, if you have a freedom on the brake lever clamp, and you need to close the gap created by the wear, what do you do?
Buyer OEM Shims at 20USD
Or take a can of Coca-Cola and cut from it the shims you need at a cost of 0 USD
[From the book: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance]

HIFLOFILTRO oil filter(Link) does not fall in his quality from the OEM original filter, only significantly cheaper.

There is no right or wrong here, but two different approaches.
Does anyone have any idea if r15 oil filter is compitible with cbr250r.
Guys what few owners have been using is Yamaha FZ (~150cc) cost ~150rs (~2$) oil filter and Shell Rimula CI4+ engine Oil in India, it is an trial and tested part. Go for it, I'm also using it too.
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Guys what few owners have been using is Yamaha FZ (~150cc) cost ~150rs (~2$) oil filter and Shell Rimula CI4+ engine Oil in India, it is an trial and tested part. Go for it, I'm also using it too.
YES BUT...Oh NO!!!!
Thanks, Now I know why people get confused, because in Yamaha FZ the assembly of the oil filter is in a direction that is inverted 180 degrees compared to CBR250R.
To the best of my knowledge, this is not the same spring either(LINK) !?
Do not forget to assemble the spring!

ON CBR250R - NOT LIKE THAT VIDEO!!!(n):eek::eek:(n)

ON CBR250R - LIKE THAT VIDEO!!!(y):cool:(y)

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You see, we are probably representatives of two completely different approaches.
For example, if you have a freedom on the brake lever clamp, and you need to close the gap created by the wear, what do you do?
Buyer OEM Shims at 20USD
Or take a can of Coca-Cola and cut from it the shims you need at a cost of 0 USD
[From the book: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance]

HIFLOFILTRO oil filter(Link) does not fall in his quality from the OEM original filter, only significantly cheaper.

There is no right or wrong here, but two different approaches.
I'm talking about OP's R15 filter. If he's in doubt about it, use OEM
I definitely prefer the K&N oil filters over any others and I don’t mind paying more for the quality!


I definitely prefer the K&N oil filters over any others and I don’t mind paying more for the quality!
Oh? What would you use on racetrack then? K&N filters are pretty much banned by all racing organizations and track-day providers.
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I definitely prefer the K&N oil filters over any others and I don’t mind paying more for the quality!
Today, we are in the age where all major patents are expired, everyone is copying from everyone, and brand value has declined.
Today we measure the return on investment.
So today the price does not always say anything about the cost-benefit ratio.
In the age of social networking we are also much less naive, and the brand also suffers because the knowledge is no longer the domain of the big corporations, and the public has learned to check what is good for him, and not because the corporation does a “Research” and recommends its brand products.

The K&N filter can be great, but not because of the video you presented, nor because of the high price. And if a person with a lot of experience in the field(Mr' Danno) says that the filter is not recommended for racetracks,
K&N filters are pretty much banned by all racing organizations and track-day providers.
I am personally indifferent to quality, and not willing to pay more for a quality filter above the standard, but if the issue is very important to you...I would take that info into account, and ask more people about the quality of that filter, that's the power of social networks.
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Does anyone have any idea if r15 oil filter is compitible with cbr250r.
They the Yamaha FZ filter is a good replacement at half the cost
Does anyone have any idea if r15 oil filter is compitible with cbr250r.
Please stick with OEM oil filter inorder to maintain oil flow. Yamaha FZ/R15's oil filter is designed according to the oil flow requirement of that engine. Cost of FZ/R15 oil filter might be cheap or easily available, but cost of engine rebuild is much higher.
Things to know about an Oil Filter (And Aftermarket Parts):
1.
All patents expired long long time ago. The parallel production is in quality of similar materials Vs' origine, because there is nothing to save there. The oil filter is built from a simple materials available and cheap for all. When it comes to new patent the pricing of the engineering development is entering into the new product price. Today there is no longer anything to develop in this component. It has reached to perfection.
2. Those who insist on paying more, pay mainly for "branding", it's a spin, just know that the extra money it's mostly for the "branding", because there are no quality differences that can be felt in them.
3. This is such a simple mechanical component, that it is easy to do a visual quality inspection for him, if It's look well built is good.
4. I personally use parts from parallel production wherever It possible, and when the price differences is Big. Or in the case of significantly improved parts, such as:
Steering roller-bearing.
OR (Another example): A manual tensioner for a timing chain that is built alone D.I.Y at 4USD and even less than that, when the original tensioner costs 30USD, when the manual tensioner is no less quality (advantages and disadvantages)

The CBR250R is a budget motorcycle, and it is most legitimate to save on him an expenses.

5. The black color of the used filter, it is the color of the burnt and spoiled oil that you replace, it is not a substance that the filter stopped, it is the color of the old oil. Harmful aluminum chips etc (such as those that may block the passage of oil, or do great damage to the bearings), are stopped by the strainer(the Screen Oil filter). The other particles that are trapped by the oil filter are: Sand and dust particles, and micron chips of metal as a result of natural abrasion. The generic filter easily stops them all.
The Screen Oil filter: Cuisine Food Packing materials Transparency Snack


Whoever getting 120% from his engine on racetracks will invest in expensive upgrades and have fun. Those who ride calmly, and see at CBR250R motorcycle as a cruiser motorcycle (because sitting upright and very comfortable for this purpose), are usually at 5-7 rpm, for them, from me, it is usually a different story.
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in case or K&N, design flaw was welded-on nut at end for easy removal. Many people do not realise is for removing only and use it to tighten filter. This accelerates cracking at nut due to heat of welding. Even without that added stress, regular heating/pressurising cycles causes filter to crack and spray oil onto hot exhaust headers. O-ring on filter also slips out due to oil-pressure.

https://riders.drivemag.com/news/aftermarket-oil-filters-banned-from-various-competitions/
http://www.sttforum.com/index.php?threads/k-n-oil-filters.19691/
https://www.sauderschelkopf.com/investigations/kn-oil-filter-failures-class-action-investigation/

I witnessed these 1st-hand:

2019 - trackday @ Thunderhill East with Trackdayz.com
K&N filter blows entering slowest turn-14. Rider crashes with 4 others behind him who hit oil spill. A brand-new Aprilia RSV4 is totalled. One rider broke both wrists

2020 - trackday @ Buttonwillow with Pacific Track Time
K&N filter blows at high-speed Riverside sweeper turn. Luckily rider was alone, crashes off-track and bike catches on fire from burning oil. Track is closed for 2,5-hrs for clean-up




I have not seen any 3rd-party independent tests showing K&N oil filters to be better than OEM ones. Many decades ago, 3rd-party study of cab & truck fleets using K&N air filters shows them to have worse filtering than OEM, resulting in more engine wear. This negated any cost-saving from reuseable filter.
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in case or K&N, design flaw was welded-on nut at end for easy removal. Many people do not realise is for removing only and use it to tighten filter
YES
BUT... They failed because they tightened at the nut.
There is no limit to the amount of mistakes that can happen to an amateur mechanic, and engineers can not design all parts for "idiots proof".
Any filter, even an OEM original filter, can be destroyed by over-tightening, and it is enough to use hand force to destroy it (tighten incorrectly).

Besides, even the big Brands Manufacturers have manufacturing glitches, otherwise there would be no so-called: RECALL.

The spare parts market has developed greatly and many times offers better and cheaper parts, there is no problem to use such parts.
K&N filter still failed when nut was not used to tightened. Carbide formation and hydrogen embrittlement is already present from welding. Tightening nut just quickened failure. Even without that, repeated heating/presurising cycles will cause cracks and filter will split. Recall was just to calm customers when problem first exposed, but they have not changed design since K&N filters are still failing. This only shows that marketing works.

Yes, there are many alternatives better than K&N at lower prices.
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Recall was just to calm customers when problem first exposed, but they have not changed design
YES (As you will see in the attached video)
...BUT...
What welding are you talking about?
Do you have pictures of the filter that show the type of failure you claim exists in the N&K filter?
Maybe the motorcycle burned down for other reasons?
I do not accept a sweeping claim against the K&N brand, just as I do not make the same claim against Honda, even though My Honda Innova125i personally had a problem with Its OEM engine (Honda is an excellent manufacturer, and I continue to purchase its products ... and now My CBR).
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Here's photos and more links of interest. You will not find similar failures and large number of complaints about any other filter.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicAdvice/comments/6o0eyl
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The front nut in the N&K filter is not intended for tightening (only for removal).
Any filter that is tightened excessively, even without the nut in front, and It is very easy to tighten the oil filter excessively, any oil filter that is tightened incorrectly may fail, crack, and leak hard.
I have the impression that the publications on K&N are trending and related to unfair competition in the industry and not to objective coverage of failures in oil filters of all kinds as a result of over-tightening.

You are familiar with this tool, its use causes similar damage (allows easily to reach a state of over-tightening):
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There is no way to prevent over-tightening of the oil filter, and the associated damage ( cracks and strong oil leaks).
No manufacturer has a defense mechanism(idiot proof mechanism) against that issues.

In the particular case of the oil filter in our model CBR250R, whoever Install it upside down will cause the oil passage to be blocked and the engine destroyed in a short time, without a single flush of oil leaking out.

It is impossible to completely avoid such mistakes, there will always be a negligent mechanic who does not understand what he is doing and will cause serious failures in a system that was fine.
All good, thanks for the google photos.
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Again, failures occur with or without using front nut. It's bad design and poor manufacturing. Proper procedure for attaching such thing low-grade thin steel is low-temp brazing rather than spot-welding.

Bad design & poor manufacturing is separate issue than user-error. That would occur at same percentage rate across all filter models.
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