[Mongoose]

I'm going to put this debate to rest. Do what your manual tells you to. It takes 300 miles to break in the bike. Keep the revs low as instructed to. Honda built it... Not motoman or any other site. Also, I now have synth oil in it. My guy at the dealer has been working with bikes for 20+ years and said bike engines like these are small and don't take nearly as long to break in as a car engine... plus they are partially broke in from being tested at the factory. If ya wanna use synth then just wait for the 600 mile service. Also, yes there are metal fragments that come loose in any new motor... this is what the filter is for!

 

[Mongoose]

Lmao! "hey baby... need anything... flowers... spark plug... your oil level good?"

 

[Mongoose]

Honda mostly says it so you don't stuff it in the hedge on the first ride. They redline them at the factory when testing them before shipment.

Comments like this are the source of how myths get started. How do you have access to these "facts"? Do you work at Honda in Thailand? Did the R&D department at Honda tell you this information? Are you assuming it's done this way cause another company does it this way? Please share your sources! <p><p>
As for this motoman website. It's a low budget website! The guy says nothing of his credentials, training, experience, or awards received for his methods. All the "photographic evidence" on his page could very well be total BS. Anyone can take a pic of 2 pistons and say they came from one bike or another. All I see is a website with un-backed information asking for my e-mail (which is most likely sold off to companys to spam your inbox).

 

[Mongoose]

Honda doesn't specify any break in period rev limits

Sorry, you are correct there. Honda does not... this is what my dealer told me. He said to just keep the revs low and accels tamed till the initial service.

 

[Mongoose]

I would recommend following a manufacturers advice in all cases.

That's all I'm saying. Not trying to give bad advice. Everyone is gonna do what they wanna do anyway. Motoman says "RUN IT HARD", Honda says "AVOID FULL-THROTTLE starts and RAPID acceleration. AVOID HARD breaking. Ride conservatively". Now look back at the capped words. Do they match? What part of what Honda says sounds like what motoman says. Complete opposites! Come on people... this is why we bought a Honda in the 1st place. They know their stuff!

 

[Mongoose]

No it's not. You were saying that the Honda manual instructs you to keep the revs low. It says nothing of the sort.

Now your just being a troll. If this thread bothers you so much then find something else to do with your time. Your not sharing any input or advice here! That's the point of a forum. To exchange info. All your on here to do is police my comments. Get a life dude.

 

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Im done now, have to go back to the "if you ride it in the rain the bike will dissenegrate" thread.

LMAO! Could not have said it better myself.

 

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. I'm sure the motoman site has lots of hits. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Such claims need to be tested.

Agree 100%. I remember years ago reading on another "secrets revealed site" that putting acetone in your gas tank with your gas improved mileage, performance, ect ect. Well Mythbusters tested it. They tested 2 cars and didn't get any improvement. Additionally, it was tested by Greg Davis of the Mechanical Engineering Department at Kettering University. He didn't find any improvement either.

 

[Mongoose]

People keep thinking brake in is only for the engine. Well guess what its not.

What about the gear box, what about friction surfaces like the clutch and brakes.

Generally you dont wanna go doing hard launches on a new clutch or super hard brakes that are late and corner and dependent on new brakes that wont stop as hard.

You are correct sir.... this process is called the "Burnishing Process". New break and clutch surfaces need to be broke in properly or they with glaze over and malfunction. People that go out and run the **** out of this bike will have to change their brakes and clutch sooner. Also like you said.... what about the gear box. Very good point. The gears need time to temper to hardness and that takes way longer than the cylinder cause they never get as hot.

 

[Mongoose]

I agree with jkv357 but it called break-in
Read this page look for "On the Street"

Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power

That stupid site is what this whole debate is over....the motoman method or the honda recommended method. go back and read bro.

 

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For everyone that thinks the Honda recommended way is wrong.... maybe you bought the wrong bike! They made it, they know what's best for it. Watch MotoGP! Race after race who usually finishes in the top 3? The Repsol Honda's. Where does Motoman's team finish huh? Oh that's right.... he is a nobody with a low budget website and no race team.

 

[Mongoose]

That eazy it ture that factory and race teams don't like givivg away any real secret tips.
Back in my days with I was young punk you know our golden age of 19/20s in mid 80s hehe my boss didn't like give any secret tip and he was Tractor Puller as I lean the in out of the engine build at the machine shop.
The old technology era engineers had available to them can't compare todays more modern engines even 20 year it has change so much. Like designs, materials, finer machining quality and oils we now have all seen huge improvements other thing like Harder, longer lasting piston rings, nikasil and ceramic plated cylinders that all by it self change the picture entirely.
Maybe if watch some Documentary you lean a thing two there TV show call Twist the Throttle on Ducatis just watched them come off the production line onto the real dyno and they get red-lined through the gears at least twice as tweaks are made.

Good point... Ducati's suck! Another reason to not use that method. It's not a big conspiracy.... there are no secret methods. Motoman says to beat the crap out of them.... honda says to take it easy. I broke mine in the way honda said to and my bike... now with 5000+ miles.... runs better than the day I bought it. It starts smooth, idles perfectly, and has shown no problems or loss of power. I know for a fact that friends of mine will buy a new car and beat the piss out of it.... 20k miles later they are already having problems. My car.... 60k miles was broke in nice and easy for the 1st 2000 miles and runs perfectly.
But hey... time will tell. I suspect in about a year or two if this forum is still up and running that all the motoman followers will be the people posting threads about how the bike is not running right and giving them grief. We will see in time.

 

[Mongoose]

Gentlemen.... Gentlemen..... order in the court.......
Can we all agree Honda makes an awesome bike? Yes.
If no.... your on the wrong forum.
Good... now that were in agreement we can proceed....
I see many people quoting the Honda manual as well as the Motoman website.
Here is my basic point.... short and sweet.
Motoman is saying to run it hard. Hard to me means WOT, redline the gears, and hard engine breaking. Honda is saying to avoid full throttle starts and RAPID accel.
In very simple terms that only means if your at a stoplight and it turns green... don't give it full throttle. Gradually get it up to speed. Don't downshift and send the RPM's screaming up to 11k. That don't mean you can't get the rpm's up near redline.... just means don't be in a rush to do so.

 

[Mongoose]

You know what.... Everybody just do what they want. You paid for it... it's your choice.

 

[Mongoose]

+1.. I give up too... so many threads blaming Honda for not reading a manual, interpreting it as if its a courtcase, mistreating bikes, not learning how to actually own and ride a bike. on and on and on lol.

I promise to give up too and just troll for comedy from here on in.

Also... I love how everyone is focusing on the "metal particles floating around"..... ummm... isn't that what the oil filter is for.... to filter the oil. ha ha

 

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Today I wrote a letter to the editor of Motorcyclist magazine concerning the issue of proper break in.

My message to MC:
"There has been a lot of controversy on the "proper" way to break in a motorcycle's engine on a brand new bike. My manual says to avoid rapid acceleration and full throttle starts for the first 300 miles. Their is a website by a person called motoman claiming he has the "secrets" to the break in method... claiming that running the engine hard is best for it as well as using car motor oil during this break in session. I'm just looking for the best answer on a way to break in a street bike."

MC's response:
"The manufacturer knows best. It’s in their interest to make sure the engine performs as intended, and that’s why they have you follow a break-in procedure."

 

[Mongoose]

^^ You actually dream of Motoman when you sleep, eh.

Waking up with a mouthful of pillow.

LMFAO! Funniest thing I have seen all day!

 

[Mongoose]

Imagine if Motoman was a doctor and told people you could do open heart surgery from home... a lot of bikers from this forum would go missing.

 

[Mongoose]

Motoman says if you use cbr250.net it will ruin your motor and your rings will never seat. If you want your rings to seat properly you must only use cbr250.org and never-ever log on to cbr250.net. Plus, all of the "real racers" and "pros" know to only use cbr250.org.

I also heard that if your headlight fluid is low the wheels will fly off at 55mph.