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So, After thinking about it for a bit.. I got a ban warning from MM for calling someone "lazy" for not looking into their manual to see when service is due. Yeah, the topic where the guy was just like "What do i do at X amount of miles?" Like that is a question that cannot be easily found on their own, so I laid down the "Lazy" card.

Now I know what being rude is, and calling someone lazy isn't really rude, but more pointing out the fact that they are lazy and can't do a small task on their own. I've heard peoples bosses call them lazy and no one freaked out like MM does over it. Should they sue the boss for insulting them?

So I've seen people call other people lazy multiple of times on the forums, and never heard of it being against the forum rules. I guess you could consider it an insult, but the way I used it was like "Dude don't be lazy and look in the manual" And provided a link of the manual along with my "insult".

Yeah I'm baked right now and its 6:30 AM, but it had me thinking.. Where are the forum rules?
http://www.cbr250.net/forum/honda-cbr250-general-discussion/808-forum-notes-please-read.html

That is somewhat forum rules, but I could not find an actual page of forum rules. Usually a forum will have them easy to find on the top bar, but I seem to be blind.

So, I am going to be lazy and ask you guys where the forum rules are if I can get a link to them.


Thanks in advance for the link to forum rules.

PS: If that was considered an insult, I'm so gonna be clicking report on a ton of posts that I find insulting. :cool:
PSS: I'm gonna laugh my ass off if the rules are in front of my face. I looked for at least 10 minutes.
PSSS: Ofc I did a search, and came up with http://www.cbr250.net/forum/gtsearch.php?cx=partner-pub-7865546952023728:bzvmyx-n0cu&cof=FORID:11&ie=UTF-8&q=forum+rules&sa=Search&siteurl=www.cbr250.net/forum/search.php?searchid=2979721&ref=www.cbr250.net/forum/verticalscope-forum-support-help-cbr250-net/48921-forum-rules.html&ss=995j129933j10
 

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I just say things as they come within reason. Usually if my posts are considered to "cross the line" by the powers that be, they usually end up deleted and I think nothing of it. Sometimes I think it's a bit ridiculous, sometimes maybe it's justified.

I think a ban warning just for dropping the lazy card is a bit excessive. Hell, people have done much worse than that (harassment and blatant purposeful trolling dangerous advice) without so much as a slap on the wrist. The pillocks seem to take forever to get banned here, while one insignificant statement can become hypersensitive. Whenever someone hassles me in person over a remark, I simply direct them to watch A Dose of Buckley on Youtube. :p

Sometimes I take a break from the forum to remind me that it is just a forum, and there's no reason I should let my blood pressure rise any further than it already has. :) Forum rules aren't always clear cut, as there is always the human component.

Don't sweat it in my opinion. But no one listens to it anyway. :D
 

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no booklet with my almost new cbr250r
so visited this site for basic info..

members friendly and helpful, with good advice
on recommended petrol octane, oil viscosity,
startup routine, ecu/fi considerations [etc]..

no-one suggested i was being 'lazy'..
yet,, even if someone had, it would have been
water off a ducks back.. open inet site..

as a mod [martial arts site] i can tell you that
some people do take offense at perceived
negative descriptions of their attitudes etc..

it doesnt take much to set some people off..
that someone takes offense to 'lazy' either
as the subject of it or its user, demonstrates
some underlying sensitivity to the word/idea..

[even] spelling of 'brake/break', sidetracks threads..

its just a word, text, but peoples sensitivities are real..
so [imo] take mod responses to words as just that,,
not like [say] a smartarse teacher to a student..
 

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I suspect even MotoMike may be human, and have the occasional bad day.
I REALLY value his presence here, and it seems every time I come in here, his green light is on.

I have begun to ignore brake/break, but there are still some subliminal hairs raising on the back of my neck. I'll NEVER mention it in a reply, again. Growth & change.
 

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I have been thinking for a while that the moderation on this site is a rather more heavy-handed than on other forums I use. It's difficult to knock someone who gives up their time to do (presumably) unpaid work here but I've found the restrictions and reactions to threads going off topic quite frustrating. Technical threads, yes, keep them on topic so they can become a future resource. But non-bike threads are like bar talk with your friends, conversations that evolve as they progress and allow members to see each others as individuals rather than just CBR250R owners and in my opinion should be allowed to run their course as long as there's no rudeness or insulting behaviour.
 

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I have been thinking for a while that the moderation on this site is a rather more heavy-handed than on other forums I use. It's difficult to knock someone who gives up their time to do (presumably) unpaid work here but I've found the restrictions and reactions to threads going off topic quite frustrating. Technical threads, yes, keep them on topic so they can become a future resource. But non-bike threads are like bar talk with your friends, conversations that evolve as they progress and allow members to see each others as individuals rather than just CBR250R owners and in my opinion should be allowed to run their course as long as there's no rudeness or insulting behaviour.
I agree with that.
 

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I'm too lazy to dig my owners manual out from under my seat when I need it so I have mongoose's maintenance schedule bookmarked. IMO it should be a sticky on the service and maintenance forum.

QUOTE=Mongoose;4255]Here is a maintenance schedule I made up on Excel. Easier to read and follow than the manual.
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I'm too lazy to dig my owners manual out from under my seat when I need it so I have mongoose's maintenance schedule bookmarked. IMO it should be a sticky on the service and maintenance forum.
This is very nice! Wonder if he put the Excel doc anywhere, if we added km it would be complete since this is an international forum. It should be stickied somewhere though!

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Alright on topic.. I actually didn't expect many replies here, just expected to find a link to the rules and a STFU. But oddly enough, no one else had the link handy?

Not gonna quote you all, but gonna sorta make a reply towards you all. I do think a ban warning was a little excessive for it, but it happened this way..
I wrote the post, and then went and did some stuff and came back to notice my post was not complete. I figured that I didn't finish editing it and hit confirm, and I go and edit it again to realize there was a note on the edit from MM saying something like "unnecessary comment". I was like, WTH and so I erased my edit, and put
(So apparently calling someone lazy and saying we have to do all the work for lazy people is an "unnecessary comment". If I recall, MotoMike has called people lazy himself. )
at the end of my post.
So yeah, I did edit it again after he edited it once, but like wth all I said was how he was lazy for not looking himself and asking us what had to be done.

Anyways... This was the exact post I got this warning (Or threat, whatever you wanna call it) for.
Did one of these come with your bike?

http://www.hondampe.com.au/docs/owning_a_honda/owners_manuals/motorcycles/CBR250R-RA 32KYJE000.pdf

If not, read there it'll tell you.

(So apparently calling someone lazy and saying we have to do all the work for lazy people is an "unnecessary comment". If I recall, MotoMike has called people lazy himself. :rolleyes: )

Post was then deleted and after this is what MM wanted to say.
Now, I can understand that lazy is somewhat of an insult depending on how you use it, but like.. Look at this warning (threat).

MotoMike said:
Dear Arrethul,

You have received a warning at Honda CBR250R Forum : Honda CBR 250 Forums.

Reason:
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Insulted Other Member(s)

Keep it up Arrethul, and I'll put you on post moderation for 90 days (meaning I or one of the other moderators will need to approve all of your posts before the general membership can see them)... and that would be after a 7 day vacation/ban.

If you think I'm joking, just try me.


~ Mike
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Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules (SAY WHAT?!?! They should be hotlinked in this warning, am I right? :D) , which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,
Honda CBR250R Forum : Honda CBR 250 Forums

And remind you, This was my first "warning" I've got.

Anyways, I really don't care about it, I just wanted to know where the rule page was so I can follow these rules without being threatened by an angry guy that thinks these forums need to be monitored like a hawk over little tiny things. I can understand someone totally being a douche and insulting, but lazy? Come'on. How thin of skin do we have on these forums?


So, My question still stands of where the rules are for the forums.



The break/brake thing never really bothered me too much, I just have fun laughing when people do it. :D
 

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Forum rules

Originally posted by ARRETHUL

So, My question still stands of where the rules are for the forums?

To find the forum rules I had to log out

click on the home page

Read welcome to forum paragraph, click on REGISTER

Click type of member wanted and the rules will pop up.

There is probably an easier way somewhere
 

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I agree with you, Arrethul, I haven't been in a room full of so many rules since primary school.
A sad commentary on society today.

You can be quick to criticize, though, like the time I accidently misplaced the OP's location in Southern California. A nice "oops, mate" would have sufficed.

My favorite airhead BMW forum thrives on thread degradation and poking fun, which we alert all newcomers to in their first post or two. We still get help to people, however.
And each forum section has it's own set of rules plainly displayed on the home page. You don't have to go anywhere to find them. Just read them, unless you are too lazy, of course. :)
 

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After reading through these posts I see there are some concerns regarding this forum and some moderation. The lack of forum rules is definitely a good point and this is being addressed.

I also agree that as mods, we can take a step back at times when a discussion is free flowing in the Off Topic forum. As well, some posts are directed into a more appropriate forum but this is not done to annoy members or interfere.

I would like to suggest that if any member has a question or beef, please pm the moderator and address it privately. As voluntary moderators, we try our best to keep this forum moving forward and informative for all, while keeping in mind the plethora of personalities. Agreeably, sometimes we may not express ourselves clearly. As a girl, I am VERY AWARE I confuse people at times lol Please know that this forum has a good group of mods that care, so everyone can visit here comfortably. We attract members from different walks of life and ages which does affect the moderation. MM in particular spends countless hours maintaining our forum. We wish to show respect to all members and their sensibilities.

All in all we have a great community here. We value the vast experience you guys contribute. If you have any issues always feel free to pm any of us and I guarantee we will do the best we can to help you. Sometimes we are limited and must await on admin though.
 

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... Not gonna quote you all, but gonna sorta make a reply towards you all. I do think a ban warning was a little excessive for it, but it happened this way..
I wrote the post, and then went and did some stuff and came back to notice my post was not complete. I figured that I didn't finish editing it and hit confirm, and I go and edit it again to realize there was a note on the edit from MM saying something like "unnecessary comment". I was like, WTH and so I erased my edit, and put at the end of my post.
So yeah, I did edit it again after he edited it once, but like wth all I said was how he was lazy for not looking himself and asking us what had to be done.

Anyways... This was the exact post I got this warning (Or threat, whatever you wanna call it) for.



Post was then deleted and after this is what MM wanted to say.
Now, I can understand that lazy is somewhat of an insult depending on how you use it, but like.. Look at this warning (threat).




And remind you, This was my first "warning" I've got.
Just for the record, and so that other members can hear the other side of the story, the reason you received a warning/infraction was not for your original "lazy" comment in the thread in question, but rather you got the warning because of the fact that you went back into that post and edited it (after I had removed the original 'lazy' comment), for no apparent reason other than to leave yet another smart assed comment directed to me.

In fact, yours wasn't the only post that I edited or deleted in that New Member Intro thread... however the other member who's post I deleted obviously didn't see the need to lash back with a another comment, and as such didn't receive a warning. You, on the other hand, did.

I think that a lot of leeway is given with regards to the off hand/off color comments posted on these forums, however I don't think that when someone new joins the site they need to be told that they are being lazy in their very first post just because they asked a question that may have been asked dozens of times before. If you can't be a little more civil to new members, perhaps it would be a good idea to refrain from posting replies in the New Member Intro forum.

In the future, if you see that your post has been edited by a Moderator for content, you would do well to note the reason why and just simply move on. Going back into the post and making further smart ass comments won't get you anywhere (other than perhaps another warning/infraction).

As live_to_ride said, if you (or for that matter, any member) have a problem or issue with what a Moderator does, send a PM. Or in this particular case Arrethul, you could have replied to the PM you received. Obviously you chose not to reply to the PM, and decided instead that you would take the issue up here in an open forum to call me out once more.

Not too cool Arrethul... not cool at all. :(
 

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Forum Rules (which were from another Verticalscope forum website and adapted for use here) are now posted as stickies in both the New Member Introduction forum and the General Discussion forum.
 

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Why can't we all just play nice? :p Don't hold grudges from thread to thread; it helps keep drama down in other parts of the forum. :)

Thanks for clearly posting rules in multiple locations Mike. Hopefully that along with the other stickies will be beneficial for new users.
 

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quotes of the week;

'as a girl, i am VERY AWARE that i confuse people at times lol'..
[and yet;] 'a plethora of personalities'..
'smart ass comments'..
'dont hold grudges'..
'you'll wish that summer
could always be here'..
 

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Ok, you're confusing me Shis........;)
 

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ltr - your perceptive intercession [especially, 'plethora of personalities']
just tickled my fancy,, so as a backhanded compliment
used the 'quote' device.. with a few other concepts
sprouting from his thread, to balance things out a bit..

[final quote from 'lazy sunday afternoon' nat king cole video]
 

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Why, thank you my Sensai. I value your kind words :) .......and you of course. ( goes without saying)
 
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