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So I'm waiting on my dealership to give me a call telling me that my red ABS-equipped bike has arrived.

In the meantime, I've been looking at pictures and videos, especially the ones comparing this bike to the Ninja 250, which I used to own a few years ago.

The reason I'm going with the Honda is mainly because it's fuel injected (I hated having to wait a few minutes for the stupid Ninja to warm up, having to mess with the carburetor, having to clean them, etc.). I'm excited about the reports on the smooth shifting, great pick-up-and-go off the line (at intersections, especially), and the fact that it is easily driven and nimble in traffic.

I just can't get over the feeling that the Ninja is so much more "sportsbike" looking than the CBR. It looks mean and growly, ready to eat up the road. The CBR kind of gives me the look that it's more like a toy.

Does anyone else have this concern? Can anyone that actually has one give me any info on what they feel like with it?

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I have the black one and I think it looks bad ass. Everyone whos seen it thinks its tough. No one believes its only a 250 either. Only thing cosmetically I plan on changing is going to a colored or tinted windscreen when the come out.
This thing is modeled after Hondas VFR's i think more then the CBR series. So it has its super bike big brothers looks just like the lil Ninja.
 

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I have the black one and someone commented the other day if it didn't say 250 on the side they would never believe it as it looks more powerful. It looks better in "real life" than it does in the pictures. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
 

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Im in McHenry County, come on over and take a look at mine. Is your dealer sure that its an ABS thats coming? Think youll be the first. Dupage Honda is expecting one more CBR at the end of June and thats it.
 

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My friend gave me his KZ 1000 and he rode my 250. It was a real hoot to see him do wheelies, he can shift gears while he's up. He just loved this bike and you wouldn't believe how fast he is on it, especially in the corners. He did laugh that when you come out of the corners, there is nothing there.

no way could I even get close on the big bike, except on the straights, but the 250 seems a lot quicker.

He says 'you did great getting that bike.' Something tells me he wouldn't be so impressed with the ninja, but he loves this little thumper!
 

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Bluefire! It is a 250. But you don't have to wind it out so much to get the performance..and the midrange torque makes it more lively ..and livable ..than the Ninja. Some Ninja 250 guys may shift over to the CBR...if a 250 is what they want in their next bike...but I don't think you will see CBR guys go over to the Kawi...at least not before FI is offered.........and maybe some other changes......
 

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Yeah i ve just been reading review after review how the cbr250r is just amazing and handling amazing, beyond the ninja 250, they just seem over all slower now.. compared to the cbr250r
 

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I hope I am not black-balled from the forum for this post, lol, but.....I test drove a non-abs yesterday while waiting for my pre-ordered ABS. I have never riddin a bike with fairing before. Mostly just old hondas and I have test driven some newer Aprilias and Moto Guzzi's. I was a little surprized that it actually did seem a little slow and a little "toy like". Okay, I know that this bike is less than half of the cost of a new shiver or v7 classic. I still think it is an amazing ride and quick for a 250. I don't know exactly what I was expecting??? I think part of it may be due to the fact that I have been reading glowing reviews forever and I had all the anticipation of someone who has had money down on this bike since February. I was on my way to buy the non-abs today, so obviously it still has great appeal to me, but turned around. The fact that it was pouring down rain certianly didn't help since I wouldn't have ridden it home today anyway. After I test drove it last night I went straight to my friends house and rode his Moto Guzzi v7 for a comparison. It just felt so much more substantial. Of course I cant stand the cheap plastic like the turn signals and FI covers on the Guzzi either. But it certainly had a lot more character. I will still end up going with the CBR, probably. I think I just need to get used to the type of bike it is. It has been many years since I have ridden a 250 ninja but I would say I liked everything about the cbr better. I did wind it out a little and it had a nice feeling up to 8K (for a second) but I guess I kept reading about the torque and thought there would be a little more there at 4k or so. I know, I know it is only a 250 and again it was pretty impressive in all respects. Just need to decide if I need to have a few more cc's with a little more torque or I just need to get used to something a little new to me. Take this with a grain of salt as my test ride was all of 5mi. at speeds below 50mph. Anyway, someone can nit-pik anything but this is still a great, great bike for the price.
 

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Toy like? You mean like a SH150i Honda scooter? I got this scooter a week ago, still waiting for the cbr. this is 150cc, single disk, no gears and it kicks butt in traffic. After riding this scooter, I dont see how a rational person looking at a 250cc, single could be disappointed with the cbr. But the scooter may be quicker, no low gears to shift.
 

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I guess it all boils down to what's your purpose in buying this bike? If it's for virtual penile enlargement, then a CBR250 is a bad idea. Get a 600RR or a literbike, which is a lot more impressive. Get your impressions made quickly, especially if you're a new rider - the lifespan of those bikes (and riders) can be incredibly short.

If you're a new rider, or if you just want a light bike that handles and stops well for less money, then you might be suited for the Honda or Kawa 250. Gas mileage is a plus - some of the I4 bikes get in the low thirties versus 70+ for most riders on 250s.

I'm not knocking the more powerful bikes - some of them are race bikes with turn signals. However, it wasn't what I was looking for. The margin for mistakes on the bigger bikes is razor thin, and the penalties can be severe.

As an (admittedly anecdotal) example, one of the departments I teach at responded to a double-fatality accident that occurred on a group ride. The mistake was made by a relatively new rider that had started about as large as you can - a Suzuki Hayabusa that the manufacturer claims is "the hottest sportbike on the planet". 1300cc+, ~170hp, ~600 lbs, top speed said to be ~180 mph. According to reports, he was in the middle of the group and popped the throttle and it "pinned him back" (see below). He wheelied into the bike in front of him, killing the passenger on the other bike as well as himself. It was a trivial mistake, but it cost two lives. A less frantic machine would have let him get away with that mistake and learn from it.

And no, that doesn't mean you're automatically going to die if you start out on a powerful bike. However, the additional horsepower, handling, and level of expectation from fellow riders can be a deadly combination. In addition, even if you bought new, you won't take a beating on a well-maintained 250 if and when you decide to move "up".

As always, my opinion

Luke


"pinning back" - experienced riders of high-power bikes know that you always grab a chunk of throttle from a neutral hand position - you grab the throttle with your wrist straight and roll your wrist down for more juice. Inexperienced riders often will bend their hand down (wrist up) before gripping the throttle and then roll the throttle in until the wrist is straight.

The problem occurs if you get too much throttle or the bike hooks up unexpectedly. The acceleration "pins you back" so that you can't let go of the handlebars or reposition your hands. If you rolled your wrist down, no worries - when you get thrown back you'll automatically come out of the throttle. However, if you rolled your wrist to neutral, you've got few options - either let go and fall off the back or hang on until you can overcome the (eventually weakening) acceleration and lean forward again. Flipping the bike over backwards or hitting something gets you off the throttle sooner. Yes, quick reflexes could give you the presence of mind to pull the clutch (provided you could free up a finger), but those semi-instinctive responses come from the same riding experience that would have kept you from making the first mistake.
 

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Toy like? You mean like a SH150i Honda scooter? I got this scooter a week ago, still waiting for the cbr. this is 150cc, single disk, no gears and it kicks butt in traffic. After riding this scooter, I dont see how a rational person looking at a 250cc, single could be disappointed with the cbr. But the scooter may be quicker, no low gears to shift.
I guess it may be useful to define "quicker". Smaller scooters can take off from a standing start quickly, but they tend to lose their top end quickly too. *Warning - the following is an anecdotal account - take it at face value!*:) For instance, last year on a remote and deserted paved road I drag raced my friend with his Vespa LX150 scoot on my CBR125R from a 5 mph running start. We were neck and neck through my 2nd gear on the CBR. However, as soon as I put it into 3rd - I left him behind rather dramatically. I thought he had actually eased up on the throttle - but he assured me later that he still had it pinned. And he has 25cc more displacement. My CBR125R fuel economy was also much better than what he could muster with his LX150 also (though to be fair, his LX150 is carburated). The CBR125R is much more engaging to ride, puts its power to the ground better (I believe that a manual trans still helps put power to the ground more efficiently than a CVT) and gets better fuel efficiency. They both handle very well though and are fun to ride. And the Vespa sure beats the CBR125R in terms of practical storage space.

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Ok, back to my senses. This is by far the best bike you can get for the money. I'm going to get it this afternoon. It's not like I can't buy another bike someday if I want to. This is definitely a great bike.
 

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i guess it all boils down to what's your purpose in buying this bike? If it's for virtual penile enlargement, then a cbr250 is a bad idea. Get a 600rr or a literbike, which is a lot more impressive. Get your impressions made quickly, especially if you're a new rider - the lifespan of those bikes (and riders) can be incredibly short.

If you're a new rider, or if you just want a light bike that handles and stops well for less money, then you might be suited for the honda or kawa 250. Gas mileage is a plus - some of the i4 bikes get in the low thirties versus 70+ for most riders on 250s.

I'm not knocking the more powerful bikes - some of them are race bikes with turn signals. However, it wasn't what i was looking for. The margin for mistakes on the bigger bikes is razor thin, and the penalties can be severe.

As an (admittedly anecdotal) example, one of the departments i teach at responded to a double-fatality accident that occurred on a group ride. The mistake was made by a relatively new rider that had started about as large as you can - a suzuki hayabusa that the manufacturer claims is "the hottest sportbike on the planet". 1300cc+, ~170hp, ~600 lbs, top speed said to be ~180 mph. According to reports, he was in the middle of the group and popped the throttle and it "pinned him back" (see below). He wheelied into the bike in front of him, killing the passenger on the other bike as well as himself. It was a trivial mistake, but it cost two lives. A less frantic machine would have let him get away with that mistake and learn from it.

And no, that doesn't mean you're automatically going to die if you start out on a powerful bike. However, the additional horsepower, handling, and level of expectation from fellow riders can be a deadly combination. In addition, even if you bought new, you won't take a beating on a well-maintained 250 if and when you decide to move "up".

As always, my opinion

luke


"pinning back" - experienced riders of high-power bikes know that you always grab a chunk of throttle from a neutral hand position - you grab the throttle with your wrist straight and roll your wrist down for more juice. Inexperienced riders often will bend their hand down (wrist up) before gripping the throttle and then roll the throttle in until the wrist is straight.

The problem occurs if you get too much throttle or the bike hooks up unexpectedly. The acceleration "pins you back" so that you can't let go of the handlebars or reposition your hands. If you rolled your wrist down, no worries - when you get thrown back you'll automatically come out of the throttle. However, if you rolled your wrist to neutral, you've got few options - either let go and fall off the back or hang on until you can overcome the (eventually weakening) acceleration and lean forward again. Flipping the bike over backwards or hitting something gets you off the throttle sooner. Yes, quick reflexes could give you the presence of mind to pull the clutch (provided you could free up a finger), but those semi-instinctive responses come from the same riding experience that would have kept you from making the first mistake.
 

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I appreciate your responses, guys.

No, I'm not looking to buy big. Being 5'5" and about 135 soaking wet, I don't want to ride atop a wild beast. Biggest I will ever go to is if there is ever a Ducati Diavel 600 (fat chance, but a GORGEOUS bike!).

I just don't want to ride a "faux" bike either. Not interested in scooters, either. I just like the sportsbike look... I think everyone here does; otherwise this would be Honda Rebel central, right?

But given the fact that I have yet to see it in person, I will reserve judgement until I do.
 

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bluefire ! Nothing wrong with your being a little skeptical! I suspect most of us here were until we saw and/or rode it..............but all the reviews are pretty unanimously positive...saying that even long term riders are finding it really fun to ride..........
 

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Bluefire - There's nothing "faux" about the CBR (or Ninja) 250. They're light, sweet-handling road bikes. Most Instructors and experienced riders will tell you that starting on a sub-500cc bike is absolutely the best way to learn how to ride a road bike. There is a lot to learn - braking, cornering, suspension loading, contact patches, throttle control... The list goes on and on. If you combine seat time with reading or video (I keep referrring to the Keith Code's books and vids), you'll progress much faster than you would on a bigger bike. All of the things that make this bike so neat - the weight, the geometry, the general user-friendliness - make it a pleasure to ride. Note that if you hit some of the "superbike" sites (sportbikes.net is one) that attract a lot of experienced riders, you'll see topic after topic where they tell new riders how stupid they are to start with a 600cc or worse, a liter bike. They'll also tell you that a lot of them own 250s because "it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow".

No it's not a 600RR, with the race-mount clip-ons, almost three times the horsepower and a 14k redline. However, if you master the 250, when you step onto that unforgiving platform you'll have the skills and reflexes to master it more quickly than you ever thought.

I used to ride a lot - had Hondas and Harleys. I took a long break, the CBR is my first bike in a long time. At the ancient age of 54, I don't expect to outgrow it, but if I do I'll move to a more powerful bike with a confidence that I would never have had I started there. I can honestly say that this little Honda is the most fun I've had on a motorcycle in years. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine.

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some of the sport bike enthusiast in my country still thinks that ninja 250 is 'the sport bike' looking for 250cc. with my height 5'8" and weight 150 lbs, the ninja looked very big on my my body, they say i'm being "eat" by the bike. hahahaha... and the cbr 250 is more reasonable dimension for me.

but overall, if you are looking for more race engine than the ninja is your choice. in the other hand if you're looking for swift, agile, and easy riding on the city road than cbr is your choice. (just a simple opinion)
 

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Have to agree with Luke. Im 43 and have had quite a few bikes in the 550-900 range. Never had anything this small, or fun to ride. I look forward to ridin the CBR, its an amazing bike. Wife even took it for a ride and loved it, now she wants one. She told me to get a bigger bike and she'd take my CBR. I said no way, Im keepin it!
 
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