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Tis' the time of the season for new riders in the North. I love how they've started as if you've already taken the course, as if it's essential and required; because it should be.
 

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Tis' the time of the season for new riders in the North. I love how they've started as if you've already taken the course, as if it's essential and required; because it should be.
It is in WI if you are under 18 and want to get a cycle license.

Both my boys had been riding since they were 4, but had to take it - which I'm fine with.

The cost seemed a bit higher than it should be though (over $250 IIRC).
 

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The cost seemed a bit higher than it should be though (over $250 IIRC).
A motorcycle license with all the mandatory training will set you back about 1,400€ (1,675 USD) over here.:wink2:
But at least we have half way competent riders and much lower fatality rates because of that.
 

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A motorcycle license with all the mandatory training will set you back about 1,400€ (1,675 USD) over here.:wink2:
But at least we have half way competent riders and much lower fatality rates because of that.
You do take driving (and riding) safety a lot more serious over there. I would like to see an increased level of skill and concentration given to driving a car, over here.

More rules and regulations translate to a safer society in general.

Like some Americans, I'm not always prepared to make that trade-off.
 

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Tiered licensing with a mandatory year or two in the 250 cc or smaller engine size should prevent a significant fraction of the new rider deaths. >:)

edit: of course, that presumes that the licensee rides the small bike as his/her major means of transportation...... small bikes are considerably more forgiving of rider error
 

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Supporting evidence from USA:

 

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Supporting evidence from USA:

I'm afraid that table doesn't say much. The numbers would need to be in correlation with the total number of bikes in each cc class. If for example only 2% of people ride bikes with less than 500cc then 7% of fatalities would be awful.:wink2:
As is that table contains no usable info.:|
 

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Agreed, but such info is limited. The table below shows USA data. Even if you ignore the off road motorcycles, the percentage of bikes under 500 cc has got to be a bit larger than the 0-250 cc data in this table.

 
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It's unfortunate the displacement categories don't line up. Including supersport 600s in the same category as the CB300 ruins how useful that category is. I suspect the CB300 and R3 coming out in 2015 is the reason <251cc sales dropped off so sharply; the most popular entry level bikes no longer fit in it, and they didn't change the categories to compensate.
 

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It's unfortunate the displacement categories don't line up. Including supersport 600s in the same category as the CB300 ruins how useful that category is. I suspect the CB300 and R3 coming out in 2015 is the reason <251cc sales dropped off so sharply; the most popular entry level bikes no longer fit in it, and they didn't change the categories to compensate.
Ya. It's rare that statistics are really that accurate when dealing with cycles. Same with insurance companies clumping completely different bikes in the same rate category.

Not a lot of knowledge in either industry when it comes to cycles.
 

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Highway riding tips - How To Ride A Motorcycle On The Highway Safely

Interesting that the first photo shows a scooter entering the highway.
Two things I have problems with:
1. I don't like the group riding picture in the article. Those riders are waaay to close together. If one of the front guys goes down the others have no chance to react in time. Seen it on occasion on Youtube....
2. I also don't get the "be faster than traffic" rule. First of there is something called a speed limit and I'm sure the cars aren't going slower than that so the article encourages you to go speeding and get them tickets (or speed away from police as well???). Claiming that is to stay out of blind spots is nonsense IMHO. That can also be achieved without going faster than everyone else. If you're faster than a car next to you just go past it quickly and get down to the speed limit again (takes mere seconds). If a car creeps up to you in the next lane slow down for a few seconds and let him pass. No constant speeding required. :rolleyes:

Pretending to have special rights and doing whatever we want are reasons why we are disliked so much by cagers and the general public.
 

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Two things I have problems with:
1. I don't like the group riding picture in the article. Those riders are waaay to close together. If one of the front guys goes down the others have no chance to react in time. Seen it on occasion on Youtube....
2. I also don't get the "be faster than traffic" rule. First of there is something called a speed limit and I'm sure the cars aren't going slower than that so the article encourages you to go speeding and get them tickets (or speed away from police as well???). Claiming that is to stay out of blind spots is nonsense IMHO. That can also be achieved without going faster than everyone else. If you're faster than a car next to you just go past it quickly and get down to the speed limit again (takes mere seconds). If a car creeps up to you in the next lane slow down for a few seconds and let him pass. No constant speeding required.
:rolleyes:

Pretending to have special rights and doing whatever we want are reasons why we are disliked so much by cagers and the general public.
Absolutely. I felt the same when I saw the group ride pic.

Sometimes. I will overtake rather than being overtaken mostly, but if I can get into a space between cars and stay there at their speed (not always the speed limit) I will. I basically never stay along side of a car (especially behind the driver where I'm not visible) for any amount of time, so if I need to accelerate to get ahead I will. I do not like traffic bunching up behind me, which leads to following me too closely, so I will do what i need to in order to be in a better/safer spot. Sometimes that is speeding.

I will also slow down at times if that's the best option. Especially if there is a poor driver - I want to be behind, not in front, of those. I don't consistently run over the limit, more with the traffic flow, but whatever keeps me in the best spot at the time.

This has worked for me for almost 40 years on the street on 2 wheels, but it may not be for everyone.
 

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Sometimes. I will overtake rather than being overtaken mostly, but if I can get into a space between cars and stay there at their speed (not always the speed limit) I will. I basically never stay along side of a car (especially behind the driver where I'm not visible) for any amount of time, so if I need to accelerate to get ahead I will. I do not like traffic bunching up behind me, which leads to following me too closely, so I will do what i need to in order to be in a better/safer spot. Sometimes that is speeding.

I will also slow down at times if that's the best option. Especially if there is a poor driver - I want to be behind, not in front, of those. I don't consistently run over the limit, more with the traffic flow, but whatever keeps me in the best spot at the time.

This has worked for me for almost 40 years on the street on 2 wheels, but it may not be for everyone.
I try to ride just like you do.
 
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