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crazyclown

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hi guys doing my first oil change on my bike
i bought the geniune honda oil change kit and when i was changing my filter i seen that the one in my bike was different to the one in the kit even the black gasket was on the opposite site.

whats your thoughts?




 
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Wait wait, which ones the original?
The one with a gasket on the side that says toward filter cover is wrong.. And it's dirty so I'm guessing the mislabeled one is the one you had in the bike originally..
Was it in your bike with the black gasket facing outward?

Either way the black rubber ring goes towards the engine.. I'd say they had wrongly stamped filters they couldn't sell but there isn't a law about using them in at the factory , so rather than waste them they used them, confusing though I don't remember reading what my original filter had stamped on it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.



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crazyclown said:
the one on the left is the one that was in the bike.
this isnt the bikes first oil change (but it my first oil change since owning it)
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The filter on the left in your photo is an aftermarket filter... Honda OEM oil filters are only marked "Outside - Towards Cover". One tell-tale sign is the larger spot welds on the spring side of the Honda OEM filters. Another is the 5 digit code number stamped in black on the engine side of the Honda OEM filter.

Luckily who ever installed that aftermarket filter obviously got it in there correctly, despite it being mis-marked. Engine damage would occur fairly soon after start up when an oil filter is installed backwards.
 
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To confirm what has already been said here, the Honda service manual shows (section 3-15) gasket side in, spot welds out. The spring goes between the spot welds and the cover that you removed to maintain pressure on the gasket when the cover is re-installed, with careful and judicious use of the ratchet on the bolt heads.
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crazyclown said:
hi guys doing my first oil change on my bike
i bought the geniune honda oil change kit and when i was changing my filter i seen that the one in my bike was different to the one in the kit even the black gasket was on the opposite site.

whats your thoughts?




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I bought my bike in April 2011. It was on the first boat of CBRs to arrive in the UK. The first service was done at the dealer at 600miles. I have just changed the oil myself (approx. 2 years / 3000 miles) with a filter bought from my local Honda main dealer. The filter I removed was exactly like the one on the left in your pictures (even down to the small spotwelds). Luckily it had been fitted the correct way round. The replacement was exactly as the one on the right in your pictures. I'm now wondering whether the dealer changed the filter at the 600 mile service. It's possible that all filters at that time were incorrectly labelled but I'm surprised that honda allowed them into the retail market. I think it's more likely that the filter on the bike was the original. If that's the case then my bike has effectively just had it's first oil/filter change at 3000 miles. Great. :(

Steve.
 
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The fact that the "wrong" filter is stamped "This side and spring toward engine" makes me wonder if it is a filter for a different engine that just happens to be the same dimension and have the same facings on each end. In other words, it works as long as you ignore what is stamped on it and install it correctly. But our spring goes against the cover, not the engine.

POs ... where would we be without them...


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don'tpanic said:
The fact that the "wrong" filter is stamped "This side and spring toward engine" makes me wonder if it is a filter for a different engine that just happens to be the same dimension and have the same facings on each end. In other words, it works as long as you ignore what is stamped on it and install it correctly. But our spring goes against the cover, not the engine...
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don't panic, you're exactly right...

I just went out to the garage and looked at the OEM Honda oil filters I have for both the CBR, and my XR400R & XR650L... the XR filters (P/N 15410-KFO-315) have the rubber gasket side stamped with "Outside - Towards Filter Cover", with the spring side marked "This Side And Spring Towards Engine" which is exactly how they are installed in those engines. Whereas the CBR filters (P/N 15410-KYJ-901) are stamped "Outside - Towards Filter Cover" on the spring side, with no marking on the rubber gasket (Engine) side of the filter.

Otherwise both of these OEM Honda oil filters are the same dimensionally, and appear to be identical in every respect except for the orientation of the markings. It's interesting that the KYJ filter for the CBR costs about a $1.50 less than the KFO filters for the XR's.

So it seems the KFO filter can be used in the CBR as long as care is taken to insure that it is installed correctly.


Which leads to this question:
We've had a few people here on the forums report top end engine damage, due to the oil filter being installed backwards... I can't help but wonder if in those cases KFO filters were used and inadvertently installed backwards due to the markings?
 
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MotoMike said:
I just went out to the garage and looked at the OEM Honda oil filters I have for both the CBR, and my XR400R & XR650L... the XR filters (P/N 15410-KFO-315) have the rubber gasket side stamped with "Outside - Towards Filter Cover", with the spring side marked "This Side And Spring Towards Engine" which is exactly how they are installed in those engines. Whereas the CBR filters (P/N 15410-KYJ-901) are stamped "Outside - Towards Filter Cover" on the spring side, with no marking on the rubber gasket (Engine) side of the filter.
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My 600mile service was in early June 2011 soon after I got the bike. I guess it's possible that at that early stage of the new models life service parts had not filtered through to the dealers. Hopefully they did change it and used a suitable Honda alternative, albeit one that was incorrectly marked (for the CBR).

Steve.
 
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