Posts by mootavic
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successful trolls are successful...
come on guys, some of you are rattling on like you have been around bikes and engines for a while and none of you have picked up on the old "4T powerband" gag?
they are taking the piss and you are buying it hook line and sinker. what's next, someone asking for a let handed metric screwdriver?
PLEASE NOTE: i am fully aware that ALL engines have a range of rpm in which they make their maximum power/torque but the term "powerband" is specifically meant for 2T and Diesel engines which make all of their power in a very very specific and small range of RPM.
come on guys, some of you are rattling on like you have been around bikes and engines for a while and none of you have picked up on the old "4T powerband" gag?
they are taking the piss and you are buying it hook line and sinker. what's next, someone asking for a let handed metric screwdriver?
PLEASE NOTE: i am fully aware that ALL engines have a range of rpm in which they make their maximum power/torque but the term "powerband" is specifically meant for 2T and Diesel engines which make all of their power in a very very specific and small range of RPM.
haha, you are tops kvr...
firstly, it was not a post about the deficiencies, it was a post about my opinion of the bike as compared to its ancestors. usually evolution goes forwards but in this case it appears to have taken a couple of bounds to the rear and i called it how i saw it.
i am not assuming anything about the OP. if you have been around bikes for as long as you claim you seem to portray, you would be fully aware of the "4T powerband" gag.
also, your knowledge of the superior CBR250 models is poor and innacurate. the MC14-E in its ultimate form created max power @ 15000 rpm with a redline of 19k rpm which was perfect for the bike as by the time you got to approximately 17/18k rpm, your upshift would drop you right before the peak power. also the peak torque was 18.5 foot pounds @ 12k rpm. this was far from a waste of engineering and material, the whole motor weighs less than 50kg WET and are goddammned bulletproof.
someone from this forum tried to have a go at .com by making fun of our bikes with 400 thousand km on the clock. i have seen some of these motors treated like absolute **** and still going strong after 2 known laps of the odometer. i would like to see the lifespan of one of these litle things knowing that they are all built in thailand as cheap as possible rather than the CBR250RRs which were all built in japan at a premium and sold at $10,000 dollars off the showroom floor. compared to this sold at half the price, though inflation would probably show it to be more like a third or less...
as for a good supermoto kicking its ass for less money? you seriously make me laugh that is just about the most absurd thing i have ever heard. OEM tards are shitboxes with barely enough power to do anything and a decent one is made out of an expensive short life motorcross bike with much money spent on the conversion.
again, if you had been around for when motards first started getting made out of dirtbikes, you would know things like this...
firstly, it was not a post about the deficiencies, it was a post about my opinion of the bike as compared to its ancestors. usually evolution goes forwards but in this case it appears to have taken a couple of bounds to the rear and i called it how i saw it.
i am not assuming anything about the OP. if you have been around bikes for as long as you claim you seem to portray, you would be fully aware of the "4T powerband" gag.
also, your knowledge of the superior CBR250 models is poor and innacurate. the MC14-E in its ultimate form created max power @ 15000 rpm with a redline of 19k rpm which was perfect for the bike as by the time you got to approximately 17/18k rpm, your upshift would drop you right before the peak power. also the peak torque was 18.5 foot pounds @ 12k rpm. this was far from a waste of engineering and material, the whole motor weighs less than 50kg WET and are goddammned bulletproof.
someone from this forum tried to have a go at .com by making fun of our bikes with 400 thousand km on the clock. i have seen some of these motors treated like absolute **** and still going strong after 2 known laps of the odometer. i would like to see the lifespan of one of these litle things knowing that they are all built in thailand as cheap as possible rather than the CBR250RRs which were all built in japan at a premium and sold at $10,000 dollars off the showroom floor. compared to this sold at half the price, though inflation would probably show it to be more like a third or less...
as for a good supermoto kicking its ass for less money? you seriously make me laugh that is just about the most absurd thing i have ever heard. OEM tards are shitboxes with barely enough power to do anything and a decent one is made out of an expensive short life motorcross bike with much money spent on the conversion.
again, if you had been around for when motards first started getting made out of dirtbikes, you would know things like this...
no actually your bulletproof interpretation is reading between the lines. my statement was intended to mean "these bikes DO lap the odometer, sometimes twice, and still run great" whereas your concept of bulletproof seems to mean the bike can tour.
what??
thats a stupid comparison mate, thats like having a ploughing contest and saying "ill race your Mustang kid!" then claiming that your tractor is a better overall machine in all aspects than the car...
straw man argument is weaksauce...
re: redline comment, you got me then, i misread. my apologies on that one, i thought your comment was implying that the bike only wound out to 15k rpm. my bad...
lol @ your extensive experience with bikes. im not here to wave my e-penis around but ive ridden approximately a metric shitload of bikes, ancient [hooray nortons!!] old [GSXR 7/11 for the win/death] and new [plastic fantastic sports bikes] and the ugly K12 is certainly a formidable dual purpose touring pig but something you have to realise is that some people arent exactly after practical, or at least your interpretation of it...
i mean ****, you ride a thou blade [apparently] how practical is that on the road? can you take that up through the mountains, and ride it to 100% of its capability? if you say yes, then you are a liar. the old 250 was great in that respect, only having 45HP at peak allowed you to do silly things like snapping the throttle wide open as soon as you could get back on the gas. It's suspension also allowed you to come into corners carrying much more corner speed than your mates on big bikes and pass them on the outside. the same went for the track. i HATE riding the modern sports bikes on the road. i'm always waiting for the bastards to high/lowside me to death for giving it 1% too much throttle. you have to ride them sooooooooo carefully otherwise you will destroy them. on the track however, thats a different story. absolute weapons. so how's that for practicality? i quite enjoyed the ability to come into a corner in 2nd gear flat out, tuck in, shift all the way up to 5th before the next corner and still only be doing 100mph lol. you can use these little sewing machines to their limit and a little further with some balls...
also, i ride a CB1300F in the real world mate. its essentially a 5 speed car motor and 2 wheels held together with waterpipes. I have fun trying to make it go fast because it really doesnt want to. I dont like comfy bikes [its disconcerting] so i threw clipons on and some much heavier fork springs to make it a little less like a sofa...
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what??
thats a stupid comparison mate, thats like having a ploughing contest and saying "ill race your Mustang kid!" then claiming that your tractor is a better overall machine in all aspects than the car...
straw man argument is weaksauce...
re: redline comment, you got me then, i misread. my apologies on that one, i thought your comment was implying that the bike only wound out to 15k rpm. my bad...
lol @ your extensive experience with bikes. im not here to wave my e-penis around but ive ridden approximately a metric shitload of bikes, ancient [hooray nortons!!] old [GSXR 7/11 for the win/death] and new [plastic fantastic sports bikes] and the ugly K12 is certainly a formidable dual purpose touring pig but something you have to realise is that some people arent exactly after practical, or at least your interpretation of it...
i mean ****, you ride a thou blade [apparently] how practical is that on the road? can you take that up through the mountains, and ride it to 100% of its capability? if you say yes, then you are a liar. the old 250 was great in that respect, only having 45HP at peak allowed you to do silly things like snapping the throttle wide open as soon as you could get back on the gas. It's suspension also allowed you to come into corners carrying much more corner speed than your mates on big bikes and pass them on the outside. the same went for the track. i HATE riding the modern sports bikes on the road. i'm always waiting for the bastards to high/lowside me to death for giving it 1% too much throttle. you have to ride them sooooooooo carefully otherwise you will destroy them. on the track however, thats a different story. absolute weapons. so how's that for practicality? i quite enjoyed the ability to come into a corner in 2nd gear flat out, tuck in, shift all the way up to 5th before the next corner and still only be doing 100mph lol. you can use these little sewing machines to their limit and a little further with some balls...
also, i ride a CB1300F in the real world mate. its essentially a 5 speed car motor and 2 wheels held together with waterpipes. I have fun trying to make it go fast because it really doesnt want to. I dont like comfy bikes [its disconcerting] so i threw clipons on and some much heavier fork springs to make it a little less like a sofa...
hooray!!
Level headed conversation finally...
Ok, of course i wouldnt throw my boys onto a CR500 hahaha, though if i had the video camera handy it would be a hilarious video for their 21st birthday lol. i understand the ideas behind the learner class but my opinion [and remember, i am saying it as only an opinion] is that they have made this bike deliberately worse than they could or should have...
mind you, if they HAD made it better then it would have been FAR more expensive. so i guess "possibly" cheaper in this circumstance is "better" but only in the respect of ease of acquisition. not performance...
bulletproof, i used to marshall for a trackday mob here in aus on my 250RR and i could run her every session of a whole day above 12k rpm through to redline all day in stock tune and trim. she certainly got hot, but never to the point of breaking down or boiling but i serviced her religiously. as long as you kept up with the normal maintenance they ran forever without any major work. the best part was not having a camchain to worry about...
I do disagree that the practicality statement only because i dont think the GSA is practical
but i do see where you are coming from. different strokes for different folks and at least i now understand your viewpoint and know the reasoning behind your opinions and for that i thank you...
Level headed conversation finally...
Ok, of course i wouldnt throw my boys onto a CR500 hahaha, though if i had the video camera handy it would be a hilarious video for their 21st birthday lol. i understand the ideas behind the learner class but my opinion [and remember, i am saying it as only an opinion] is that they have made this bike deliberately worse than they could or should have...
mind you, if they HAD made it better then it would have been FAR more expensive. so i guess "possibly" cheaper in this circumstance is "better" but only in the respect of ease of acquisition. not performance...
bulletproof, i used to marshall for a trackday mob here in aus on my 250RR and i could run her every session of a whole day above 12k rpm through to redline all day in stock tune and trim. she certainly got hot, but never to the point of breaking down or boiling but i serviced her religiously. as long as you kept up with the normal maintenance they ran forever without any major work. the best part was not having a camchain to worry about...
I do disagree that the practicality statement only because i dont think the GSA is practical
but i do see where you are coming from. different strokes for different folks and at least i now understand your viewpoint and know the reasoning behind your opinions and for that i thank you...oh, and my comments regarding misinformation about motors were specifically targetted at kutter who was the one misinterpreting the honda press release...
i do admit i generalised but only because noone else picked up on that.
if you want to build a proper community out of this forum, you guys need to pick up on these things and knock them on the head fast before asshats like me catch them, because we will take the mickey wherever given the chance...
100% accurate information when it comes to the bike your site is named after should be the goal. while not achievable in the real world, it should still be the aim to strive for...
i do admit i generalised but only because noone else picked up on that.
if you want to build a proper community out of this forum, you guys need to pick up on these things and knock them on the head fast before asshats like me catch them, because we will take the mickey wherever given the chance...
100% accurate information when it comes to the bike your site is named after should be the goal. while not achievable in the real world, it should still be the aim to strive for...
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