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I'm not thinking of buying one yet, but when that day comes, when I do need a new exhaust, over here, it's got to pass the MOT test. That means if it's got "Not for road use" stamped on it, and it's too loud, it isn't going to pass. I came across this website that is selling "EC" stamped exhausts, that are supposed to be road legal. I've heard many complaints on here about aftermarket exhausts being too loud. I quite like the look of the cheapest Remus can, and the cheapest Scorpion can (I think you can buy the Scorpion can in stainless steel elsewhere). I've also noticed that the Leo Vince Evo I and II is being sold on here as street legal. I wonder if they have quieter baffles in them than is sold elsewhere in the world, or they're bending the truth a bit. I thought this may be of interest to those of you who wanted a different exhaust, but also didn't want one that was unsociably loud. ;)

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I'm wishing Remus would get on board. They make so many wonderful street legal, good performing, good sounding without being ridiculously loud pipes for so many brands & models.
Just not ours :(
 

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I also would like to find a somewhat quiet aftermarket exhaust and fortunately live in a State that doesn't require emissions testing. You on the other hand have to pass emissions testing. I looked at the Remus Street Legal exhaust then checked the requirements for Japan. The cbr250r is actually 249.4cc and in Japan there are DB requirements but there are NO emissions requirements for anything under 250cc. I bet the remus is quiet but has no catalytic converter. I did find a stainless steel Akrapovic exhaust that is also street legal (a little bit longer and bigger in diameter than the others they offer) and comes with a mid pipe that flares to a larger opening where you can insert their optional catalytic converter. This one seems to be truly street legal for emissions and db levels. Problem is the Akro is expensive $425 muffler and mid pipe plus $88 for the cat (US dollars). I just can't quite justify the price because it looks good.
 

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wynne - just bought a good used leo vince lv one evolution II
which comes with three options for reducing flow thru the cannister
[mine black/carbon - black bike] being; a cup shaped reducer that fits
[nicely] into the front of the cannister, solid, well made, which also
has five holes in it [imagine a mug with 5 holes in the bottom]
which amount to something like a bit less than half the flow-thru..
nice and solid, appears capable of easily holding say stainless
wire wool [pot scourers etc] if one wired some to the inside
of this 'db killer' which would further reduce flow-thru..
also has two inserts for the rear end, both fit well and snugly
one smaller/shorter than the other, potentially noisier..
has a nice solid well designed bolt with rubber plug securing it..

states; "E-marked LeoVince exhaust systems have been granted
EEC approval. They are manufactured in accordance with European
directive 97.24CEm and are marked with the appropriate homologation
number which is stamped into the product.
Customers who purchase an e-marked LeoVince product and fit it to their
machine have the following rights;
1 The machine can be used freely on the road, not only in their own national
territory, but throughout the EC. In particular, if they are subject to an
inspection by the nominated government department, and they show the
homologation certificate which is enclosed, this is sufficient to prove the
suitability of the exhaust for the vehicle to which it is fitted.
2 The rider has the right to fit this exhaust with no modification
to the registration document of the vehicle. In Italy [etc]"

also; "ITEM - No 8558 REF. 8559
TO FIT - HONDA CBR 250 R ie
ORIGINAL NO MC41 - MC41 1 1
TYPE APPROVAL - e13 0430 (9)
IN CONFORMITY WITH - EC DIRECTIVE 97/24"

one page is a copy of a statement, stamped and signed etc
to the effect that the silencer complies with the directive etc of
"Chapter 9 regarding permissible sound level and exhaust system"

so it seems youre sweet with officialdom at least with this slip on..
when i install it both the cup shape inlet reducer and larger insert
will be used.. from various you tube sound demos of the same
exhaust it doesnt seem offensive and has a nice enough tone
at idle and rev'd to around suburban riding revs..
at any rate, theres always the option of extra flow reduction
if that seems necessary [good wire wool seems an easy option]..

even if it means slightly altering my typical riding style etc
when in suburbia or sensitive areas i dont see a problem..
my last honda 750/4 [K6] had a four into one system
which could make a strong 'howling' sound, when let go,
but for suburban riding it was more a soft moaning..
in other words you can ride it, loud or 'not offensive'..

for interest, the booklet lists the stock exhaust weight
8,438g [18.6lb] compared to the lv cannister 1,690g
+ link pipe 480g [1.06lb] total 2,170 [4.78lblb]
for a saving of 6,268g or 13.82lb [!]

from egs on you tube you can vary the angle of the cannister
and how close you bring it into the bike, by varying the curve
alignments from fitting point to the stock header pipe, plus
whether you mount the cannister retaining strap to the front
or rear of the mounting bracket under the right passenger peg..
i like the smoother direct angle which matches the underside
lines of the rear section under the seat to tail, also prefer
the tighter mounting with the strap to rear of bracket..

but we'll see when its installed [not immediately]..

this carbon slip on looks and feels well made..
everything fits snugly, its oval shaped, end cap
is flat black, center carbon a sort of textile striping
of dark grey and black wavy lines, slight sheen..
front end and link pipe look like qualtity ss..

being somewhat of a tight-arse i couldnt justify
spending $4-500aust on a slip on, so when this one
came up from a forum member for a reasonable price
and in excellent condition, and seemingly quiet enough
or able to be made quieter, i bit the bullet :)

it will doubtless look nice on all black 'black beauty'
not just for the matching blacks but for its general
quality look, tightness and appearance as if what
the engineers/designers of the bike would have
designed, if not constrained by california etc
emissions laws..

good luck with your own system mate,
i heartily recommend the lv one evo II
carbon slip on if thats your direction :)
 

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I've tested my ixil etreme pipe at work with the db meter & with the quiet baffle it's 91db with the mid baffle it's 96db & with no baffle it's 104db. Even with the quiet baffle it's got a deep tone that sounds good.
 

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I also would like to find a somewhat quiet aftermarket exhaust and fortunately live in a State that doesn't require emissions testing. You on the other hand have to pass emissions testing. I looked at the Remus Street Legal exhaust then checked the requirements for Japan. The cbr250r is actually 249.4cc and in Japan there are DB requirements but there are NO emissions requirements for anything under 250cc. I bet the remus is quiet but has no catalytic converter. I did find a stainless steel Akrapovic exhaust that is also street legal (a little bit longer and bigger in diameter than the others they offer) and comes with a mid pipe that flares to a larger opening where you can insert their optional catalytic converter. This one seems to be truly street legal for emissions and db levels. Problem is the Akro is expensive $425 muffler and mid pipe plus $88 for the cat (US dollars). I just can't quite justify the price because it looks good.
There are no emissions requirements for motorcycles over here yet, just maximum noise requirements. ;)
 

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I'm wishing Remus would get on board. They make so many wonderful street legal, good performing, good sounding without being ridiculously loud pipes for so many brands & models.
Just not ours :(
I double that. I had a VFR800 with Remus and they ruined me for all others. I put a yoshimura CF on this bike and it sounds like a dirt bike, and at full throttle, a straight pipe HD.


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I'm wishing Remus would get on board. They make so many wonderful street legal, good performing, good sounding without being ridiculously loud pipes for so many brands & models.
Just not ours :(
I double that. I had a VFR800 with Remus and they ruined me for all others. I put a yoshimura CF on this bike and it sounds like a dirt bike, and at full throttle, a straight pipe HD.


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Have you both not read this thread properly? Remus do make exhausts for our bike. They sound pretty good too. ;)

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Here in the U.S., under Federal EPA laws it's illegal to modify any part of a street legal motor vehicle emissions system that would render the vehicle non compliant to the emissions standards in effect at the time of manufacture. It doesn't matter whether your particular state or locale does emissions testing or not... it's illegal under Federal Law. That said, I'm not worried about the feds coming around to bust me for my FMF Apex slip on... after March 1st, the feds will be lucky if they have the money to issue parking tickets in the nations capital... :)

I don't think any aftermarket exhaust can change the fact that a single cylinder thumper will always sound like... a single cylinder thumper. It's funny, I haven't seen any of the guys on the Honda XR forums (or other thumper forums) bitching about how their bikes sound like a CBR250R. :rolleyes:
 

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Here in the U.S., under Federal EPA laws it's illegal to modify any part of a street legal motor vehicle emissions system that would render the vehicle non compliant to the emissions standards in effect at the time of manufacture. It doesn't matter whether your particular state or locale does emissions testing or not... it's illegal under Federal Law. That said, I'm not worried about the feds coming around to bust me for my FMF Apex slip on... after March 1st, the feds will be lucky if they have the money to issue parking tickets in the nations capital... :)
Lmao, well put Mike!

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There is only one exhaust that's quiet with a deep throaty tone

Akrapovic, it also a much higher quality and the lightest.
I can't complain about the quality of mine either (carbon with db insert). It did make the bike a little louder but not nearly a much as it seems when compared to some of the other exhausts (i have only been able to do this via listening to vids on youtube and comparing vs the slip on on my bike). Best advice I can give if you can't find them in person to compare would be to look for videos on youtube with the cameras about an equal distance from the bike, but you probably already know that.

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Man those laws really are clear as mud...

Here's the EC certificate for the Akrapovic Slip on line (not sure if this is just the SS,Carbon or both), sounds like that's all you need and the muffler does come with the baffles installed at time of manufacturing which seems like another requirement.
http://az79640.vo.msecnd.net/akrapovicbppmultimedia/65467c992c1c42a1ae58837c6015acb7.pdf

Here's some general info for the Akrapovic Stainless Steel. Seems like there is no change in max db compared to stock.

Here's the stats for the Carbon Fiber slip on. Appears to be 10 db louder than stock.


Here's the link for the optional Catalytic converter insert.
P-KAT-028 Catalytic converter - Akrapovi

Hope you can use the Akra, because it's pretty ******************** awesome. I installed the carbon fiber slip on the other day and I'm in love with the thing. Looks and sounds amazing, lost a fraction of the weight and some nice performance gains. I love that I can actually hear throttle blip and decel now. It's not too loud, although it will attract some attention if you want it too ;p.

Good luck with your search!
 
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