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So I've noticed that my knees have been feeling cramped riding the cbr250 even after only riding about 40 mins non-stop up the highway. I've seen people talking about rear sets to help with ergonomics and positioning. But... How do you know where you would need to adjust the pegs to? Just trial and error? I've never ridden a SS so I don't know if that would feel any more or less comfortable.

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Riding for 40 min on a bike is kinda tiring, so maybe it's just fatigue that you're experiencing. I think it's a good practice to take a breather after riding about an hour and hydrate as well. Also, if I remember correctly, you're a new rider, so your body needs to get acquainted with the riding position, and build up muscles you probably didn't use before you started riding.

I think the riding position on a CBR is sporty, but not that aggressive. Usually, people get a rear set to take their foot higher off the ground and get an aggressive stance. Not comfortable at all.

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[whoops, another long response, for novice question,
bottom line; ergonomics is important, peg position
is relevant to that and to other realities of riding]

well i disagree with 'not comfortable at all'.. to each his own..
for me, there was always a feeling that my pegs were a little too
low and a touch too far forward for my personal ergonomics..
ie, i had the feeling of wanting to increase flexure in hip,
knee and ankle joints, thus raising the heel a little plus
drawing ball of foot a touch back and solidly on the peg..

lie on your side in bed tonight, but keep legs straight,
which obviously isnt a riding position, but you will
get the feeling for natural flexure in those joints..
anyway, yoshimura rear step plates came up
for about $80 so i went for them, 40mm back, 30mm up
[optional 40mm up for racing or hard riding etc]
it was just like being able to flex those joints in bed..
felt natural [for me, 5'7"] and comfortable immediately..
now theres less movement forward and back under or over
the gear change lever and my ball of foot/toes slip in easily..
this also results in slight changes upstream due to these small
slight changes in flexure of those joints, such as knees and thighs
a little better positioned to naturally apply pressure to the tank
and to some extent the seat, part of general control of c of g etc..

also, progressively as my body eased into the better positioning
my coccyx [lower 'tail' bone] or bottom began moving progressively
backwards along the seat, moulding it to that shape and causing
my riding position to be just forward of the seat stop, making
contact when accellerating and sometimes when sliding hips
across the seat a little in some cornering situations..
also allowed more relaxed positioning of shoulders/arms/hands
on bars thus fingers on levers and throttle movement by wrist..

i find it easier and more comfortable to exercise control by
using small pressure into the seat and tank with thighs
and inner knees as part of some riding situations
[compare getting up to speed in 4th or 5th say then
then taking hands off bars onto tank, lift your knees up
to press in against tank to maintain directional stability]

the position is now quite comfortable for me, taking pressure off
my palms and wrists, allowing for easier more efficient wrist
and finger movements thruout whatever riding were doing..
in genuine emergency responses incl fast braking it has
happened as a smooth reflex.. didnt hurt it anyway..

i really couldnt give a tuppeny stuff about what anyone
thought about how i looked, sporty or otherwise..
have no pretensions about trying to look like casey stoner
on my virtually standard honda cbr250r [!]

suggest going to a dealer and just sitting on all the different
motorcycle footpeg arrangements, from specialist dirt bikes
to cruisers and the various degrees of 'sport' motorcycles..

there is also the reality of increased ground clearance
for your toes, nothing to sneeze at, regardless..
having experience riding i knew that my toes would be
too close to some slightly raised roundabout edges i use
which kept me away from them thus increased less efficient
cornering potential.. with these step plates fm yoshi
ive tested these obstacles and now know my toes
and footpegs clear them.. thus no worries about
scraping my toes off on road or road furniture :)

full rear sets are adjustable and light and so on
and too expensive for me, but the yoshi rear set plates
do the job using existing stock footpegs and as im not
racing the bike theyre good enough for me..
if you have tools and work facilities etc and are capable
of measuring, cutting and drilling etc, then check out
the excellent diy how-to by auffit somewhere here..

if not such a tight arse with $ i would buy nice clip-ons
to replace the [rust marked] standard bars which
could be a touch lower for me, esp with the step plates..
and still couldnt care what anyone thought about it..

some like to sit on their bikes as if in lounge chairs
with their feet up on poofs.. to each his own :)
for me the position i now have does an excellent job
of allowing me to easily press down as i go over
bumps in the road rather than have the jolt travel
up my straighter legs and into my spine..

but to each his own..
liz you cant account for how or what people think
they think about you or your bike or riding it..
it should be comfortable, for you,
and for your riding style .

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So I've noticed that my knees have been feeling cramped riding the cbr250 even after only riding about 40 mins non-stop up the highway. I've seen people talking about rear sets to help with ergonomics and positioning. But... How do you know where you would need to adjust the pegs to? Just trial and error? I've never ridden a SS so I don't know if that would feel any more or less comfortable.

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The 250r seating position is actually fairly relaxed - definitely not a supersport riding position. If you're feeling cramped, I suspect you're being too tense on the bike. Unless you're exceptionally tall, cramped ergos shouldn't be an issue. Try riding with someone more experienced who might be able to point out why you're feeling cramped.

Rearsets will position your feet higher and further back (with some room for adjustment in both directions). If anything this will make the bike MORE cramped. They make it easier to squeeze the tank under braking and will increase ground clearance, allowing for more lean angle.

Good luck!

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I think I will definitely go to the local dealer and sit on a few bikes this weekend. Wanted to check out the 500s anyway and they were supposed to get them this month. The guys there were trying to talk me out of looking at a 500 and looking at the adventure automatic bike (forget the model) or a 600rr :p

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Yikes. Sales guys are irresponsible for attempting to sell a 600rr as a first bike. I'd think twice conducting future business with them. Shis made an excellent suggestion of sitting on other bike styles to see what seating position you prefer. It is common for new riders to experience stiffness while riding. Many riders make it a custom to stop frequently for 15 min to stretch. Some even pop an Ibuprophen before a ride as they know they will feel sore. As your confidence level increases you will relax thus finding you are not as stiff/sore as you were.

Although the stock seat on the 250 is not bad comfort wise, some riders have ordered custom seats that have made a world of difference on their butt and back which I wonder if this also helped with leg cramping. Search "Corbin" seats and you may read some hints on solving your comfort prob.

Honestly, I think some stiffness comes with the sport of riding. Most riders get sore at some point. The love of the ride is worth it ;)

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bear in mind also that theres no rule saying you cant move
around on you motorcycle.. costs nothing to stretch a leg
out or forward or back or whatever, or both for that matter..
if on a long run its typical and good to pull over now and then
for a leak a stretch a cup of coffee or drink or whatever..

and ps; no need whatsoever to enter into dialogue with
salespersons in dealerships.. just ask politely if you may
sit on the bikes [to check personal ergonomics or seat height
or giving no reason at all], which dealerships allow riders
to do.. its a natural thing to do..

salespersons will use any conversation to direct your mind
towards earning them a bonus, sorry, purchasing a bike..
knowing this, just be polite and rational and natural
without conversation beyond 'thank you' etc
then sit on all the motorcycles :)

doesnt take much to pack a drink or thermos or sandwich
with you on a long run, and there are usually trees
somewhere along the way which you can water
when you stop for your coffee and stretch..

even if you dont want to stop you can still stretch out
one arm at a time and or one leg at a time, and its easy
to slide forward on the seat to stretch your back up/out..
to stretch your neck forward/up just lean forward a bit..

its easy to stretch fingers out one hand at a time
without taking them off the bars if you prefer..
doesnt hurt to take a few deeper diaphragmatic
breaths [letting your tummy expand out gently]
with "aaah" releases to help relax if feeling
a little stiff after longer than usual riding..

stopping tho is the obvious option..
these hints are the tip of the iceberg
really as far as what you can do personally
in response to your own body/mind state :)
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