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It looks nice but that's about it. The claimed 392lbs (178kg) is 13kg more than Honda claim for the CBR and the claimed power is about the same for both. If there was a gun to my head forcing me to change my CBR250R for something else Kawasaki's 29bhp, 150kg Ninja 250 SL would be far higher up my list.
I know 250s have to be built to a budget but if the Japs can build litre bikes with 150+bhp that weigh little more than 200kg for the price of a family car then surely there's no excuse for a 250 weighing 178kg?
 

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We've had this bike down here in New Zealand for a while now but it hasn't been breaking any sales records. I'm guessing the GW250 motor they robbed for this bike could not be physically bored and/or stroked to 300cc so it's a bit of a lone wolf in a class of its own. But it's priced well and looks the part so I'm guessing it would appeal to someone getting their first commuter bike or such like.
From a more experienced small bike riders point of view it's under powered, overweight and too softly sprung.
 

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where does the ignition key go [?]

gave me a headache that white one with broken up lines,,
but all good with the all black model, which looks like
a cbr250r with an added 'S' badge in basic design..

and tappets to play with...
 

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Yeah doesn't seem too impressive, especially coming seven years after the CBR250R. Would have generated more interest perhaps as a high-revving twin and built to be a baby Gixxer, e.g. GSX-R250.
 

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Yeah doesn't seem too impressive, especially coming seven years after the CBR250R. Would have generated more interest perhaps as a high-revving twin and built to be a baby Gixxer, e.g. GSX-R250.
The long delay of this bike is almost unforgivable for Suzuki's development and marketing team.
You certainly don't see Japanese companies making blunders like this too often.
With it's parallel twin, longer wheelbase and higher seat height, I would have definitely considered this bike when the competition in the quarter-liter bike class wasn't as fierce as it is now and it's good looks may have been the swaying factor.
As you say though Stichill, after 7 years of the CBR250R and with companies as diverse as KTM and BMW with skin in the game.....not so much.
 

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A SOHC 250cc twin in a "GSXR"...in 2017? Wake up Suzuki!

They included "Katana" in the name as well, so as to excuse themselves from giving it competitive power and weight.

What were they thinking? It's too expensive, down on power, up on weight, and doesn't fit anywhere in the small bike market.

I have 2 older Suzukis (SV650s - 1st and 2nd gens) that I like a lot and don't plan to sell anytime soon, but the "new" SV650 doesn't even appeal to me. The messed it up when they decided to go to a "Gladius", and tried to redeem themselves by bringing back the SV - which is more Gladius than SV. I'd by the FZ-07 before the new SV.

Suzuki is in the pits right now if you ask me.
 

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Yeah, the marketing for this bike is as badly confused as the untenable delay in it's release.
Branded as a "GSX", but a company spokesperson warns us not to call it a "Gixxer". Instead, we're supposed to consider it's heritage to belong to the Katana line because of it's.... "dependability". Huh???
The first question on everyone's mind is "why isn't this a 300cc?", so right off the bat you're asking yourself what's the point?
The more I read about this model, the more I wonder if it may turn out to be the first official failure of a 250cc release in a decade since the small displacement class took off again with the release of the new-gen Ninja 250R.
Could this be the first 250 to be discontinued after it's first model year sales results finally reach Japan?
Like the Burger King ad says "Somebody's going to get fired for this."
 

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Yeah, the marketing for this bike is as badly confused as the untenable delay in it's release.
Branded as a "GSX", but a company spokesperson warns us not to call it a "Gixxer". Instead, we're supposed to consider it's heritage to belong to the Katana line because of it's.... "dependability". Huh???
The first question on everyone's mind is "why isn't this a 300cc?", so right off the bat you're asking yourself what's the point?
The more I read about this model, the more I wonder if it may turn out to be the first official failure of a 250cc release in a decade since the small displacement class took off again with the release of the new-gen Ninja 250R.
Could this be the first 250 to be discontinued after it's first model year sales results finally reach Japan?
Like the Burger King ad says "Somebody's going to get fired for this."
I thought it was a "GSX250R" in the same manner as a "GSX1000R" - with "Katana" tagged on at the end to cover all the bases.

They want the race-winning reputation (and look) of the GSXR, but with the downgraded performance of the Katana.

Can't have both.
 

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A SOHC 250cc twin in a "GSXR"...in 2017? Wake up Suzuki!

They included "Katana" in the name as well, so as to excuse themselves from giving it competitive power and weight.

What were they thinking? It's too expensive, down on power, up on weight, and doesn't fit anywhere in the small bike market.

I have 2 older Suzukis (SV650s - 1st and 2nd gens) that I like a lot and don't plan to sell anytime soon, but the "new" SV650 doesn't even appeal to me. The messed it up when they decided to go to a "Gladius", and tried to redeem themselves by bringing back the SV - which is more Gladius than SV. I'd by the FZ-07 before the new SV.

Suzuki is in the pits right now if you ask me.
I think the get out for them is calling it a GSX250R with the R on the end as a suffix rather than a prefix like GSX-R250 which we all know was four cylinder machine from the late eighties to mid nineties and was a proper sports bike with an aluminium frame and a motor that actually had some stomp, unlike this bike.

Yes I agree with your thoughts on the SV. I have an '07 model that I race and it has an aluminium frame but I see they have cheapened them down with a steel jobbie now. And no fairing which is a deal breaker for me, our weather is too harsh here to not have a fairing to shelter behind. The motors still good tho it appears.
 

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Katana 250 is more representative of what the bike is. The GSXR's are scrunched up supersprt bikes and the Katana was the more comfortable version. The new Suzuki may sell a few in markets with the 250 cc limit. But the 250 class has moved on to 321 where the displacement limit is not in play. And will continue to go up to make bikes that meet the 44hp limit of the new A2 class in Europe.
 

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Katana 250 is more representative of what the bike is. The GSXR's are scrunched up supersprt bikes and the Katana was the more comfortable version. The new Suzuki may sell a few in markets with the 250 cc limit. But the 250 class has moved on to 321 where the displacement limit is not in play. And will continue to go up to make bikes that meet the 44hp limit of the new A2 class in Europe.
Yes the 2018 Ninja is rumored to be 400cc. I'm looking at getting one if so.
http://www.motorcycle.com/features/oops-milwaukee-news-crew-outs-2018-kawasaki-ninja-400.html


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Okay, now we're getting somewhere. My favorite bike was my 1982 Yamaha Seca 400. Not a screamer by any standards, but there was just something about that bike that suited me and I loved every minute I spent on it. I've been waiting for what seems like forever for 400cc bikes to return to the American market and now we're finally starting to see some signs of life with the Husqvarna Vitpilen 401 and this Ninja 400. It's been an agonizing wait, but I'm starting to have hope of actually having a choice of some interesting 400s again soon.
 

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Yeah 400cc is a nice size even in the parallel twin. I loved my CBR250 and 300 but I ride with other guys and groups a lot and ultimately the lack of passing power was an issue. Fine riding by myself though.
Also had a GSXR400R race bike and loved the power, the sound, the look, and yet still light weight.
Exciting times for sure.
 

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Honda's CB500 bikes fit the A2 specs and at 471cc and 10.6:1 on compression are neither slouches nor high-powered bikes. I find my CB500XA to be an ideal street bike for an old fart. It is my preferred street transportation. I rode it from south of Tucson, AZ, via the most scenic routes I could justify, to central Montana, for a 40th Hunting Camp reunion two years ago when I was 73. The bike was far more capable than the rider!

 

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Katana 250 is more representative of what the bike is. The GSXR's are scrunched up supersprt bikes and the Katana was the more comfortable version. The new Suzuki may sell a few in markets with the 250 cc limit. But the 250 class has moved on to 321 where the displacement limit is not in play. And will continue to go up to make bikes that meet the 44hp limit of the new A2 class in Europe.
I think that's true. "Can-o-tuna" has always been a very middle of the road performer.

Looks like a GSXR...rides like a Can-o-tuna...
 

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Honda's CB500 bikes fit the A2 specs and at 471cc and 10.6:1 on compression are neither slouches nor high-powered bikes. I find my CB500XA to be an ideal street bike for an old fart. It is my preferred street transportation. I rode it from south of Tucson, AZ, via the most scenic routes I could justify, to central Montana, for a 40th Hunting Camp reunion two years ago when I was 73. The bike was far more capable than the rider!
It's great that you have found a bike that fit's the bill nicely for you. I've heard nothing bad about the CB/R500's.
For me the deal breaker is the weight. They weigh the same as the 650's, more in some cases. For example the Yamaha MT/FZ-07 kerb weight is 179Kg vs 194 for the CBR.
 

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I think that's true. "Can-o-tuna" has always been a very middle of the road performer.

Looks like a GSXR...rides like a Can-o-tuna...
LOL! "Can-o-tuna" or not, I'd sell my eye teeth in a heartbeat for one of those original Hans Muth designed Katanas!
And I'd throw in a couple of wisdom teeth for his 1982 BMW R65LS.
 

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Yamaha MT/FZ-07 kerb weight is 179Kg vs 194 for the CBR.
Can't compare anything to the FZ07 on power to weight to price. Yamaha knocked it out of the park on that. If you can get by with a naked bike. Which I cannot. The new Ninja 650 is much lighter than the previous model. Almost as light as the CBR500R. The old bike was very heavy. It's easy to sit and bench race the specs but until you ride a Honda 500 you don't get the sense of what a smooth and ultra dialed in bike it is. It's not a track bike. It is an excellent daily driver that will beat any of the 650 class bikes on fuel consumption by 20%.
 
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